OT Mac Pro A1186 For Sale or Trade

From: Randy Yates 
------------------------------------------------------
I thought I'd post this on here before I list it on eBay or Craigslist.

I have an original Mac Pro which has been recently upgraded to 2,1 firmware
and dual x5365 Xeon Quad-core 3.0ghz processors. It also has 32 GB of RAM.
I'm currently on it and it runs like a champ. It is running Lion and that
is the last version of OS X that supports the first gen Mac Pro without
using some hacks to change the EFI limitations and without upgrading the
video card (currently has the original nVidia Geforce 7300).

It's super fast and quiet. It also runs rather cool (around 88F under
normal use at the moment).

It's a great machine if you aren't someone who needs the latest OS X or if
you want to go through the trouble of using the hack to install Mavericks
on it.

I personally need something that runs Mavericks even if the specs are lower
than this, because I'm doing dev work that requires the latest xcode and
dev tools.

If you would like one heck of a machine for a good price or if you have an
imac/mini capable of running Mavericks right away, hit me up offlist. Feel
free to ask any questions about the machine.

Happy holidays.

OT: I want to make a trade

From: Stephen Haywood 
------------------------------------------------------
I have the following:

eMachine T3508
Celeron D 356
ATI Radeon Express 200
No hard drive
512M RAM
10/100 Ethernet
56K Modem
DVD-RW

HP Pavilion a6400f
Athlon 64bit Processor
3GB RAM
No hard drive
Nvidia Graphics card, not sure which one
Wireless card
Fan has separated from processor but it still runs.

iMac 5521
500Mhz processor
128M RAM
CDRW
56K Modem
USB Keyboard and Mouse
Power cable
It still runs.

What I want.
PC power cable
Working 15" or 17" Flat panel VGA monitor with power and monitor cable
USB Keyboard and Mouse

--
Stephen Haywood
Owner, ASG Consulting
CISSP, OSCP
423.305.3700
asgconsulting.co

[OT] Gadget for Sale: Asus Transformer 300T

From: Stephen Kraus 
------------------------------------------------------
Lyn decided she didn't like the tablet as much as she thought she would,
and we just picked up the Samsung Galaxy S4s, so we're Androided out:

Asus Transformer 300T
Nvidia Tegra Quad core CPU
32GB Internal Storage
Comes with Keyboard Dock w/Secondary Internal Battery.

Throw me an offer!

Photoshop under WINE

From: John Aldrich 
------------------------------------------------------
Anyone ever tried to run Photoshop under WINE? Looking at possibly 
taking a photoshop class and I'd rather not have to wipe my Linux laptop 
to reinstall Windows, just to run Photoshop for a day or two. I've got a 
Compaq Presario F730US (1.8 Ghz AMD 64 X2 CPU) with 2 Gigs of RAM (maxed 
out.) Video is NVIDIA GeForce Go 6100 (on-board, of course.) HDD was 
upgraded (the one that came with it was dead when I got it, as was the 
battery) to 250 Gig SATA, with very little used, so disk space shouldn't 
be an issue.

The Great(?) Computer/Gadget Sale (i.e., getting rid of a bunch of my stuff)

From: Aric Annear 
------------------------------------------------------
Hi all=97

=20

My recent promotion has me traveling for work more than usual, plus I =
just
have too much stuff lying around that I don=92t use=97but!  It=92s good =
stuff, not
spare parts.  I=92m getting rid of my extra computers and gadgets =
because 1) I
don=92t need more than one Linux and one Windows machine anymore and 2) =
I
honestly don=92t really game anymore.

=20

Everything listed is in mint or near-mint condition.  All prices are =
OBO.  I
am open to trade for some recording gear if any of you happen to have =
some
laying around, particularly studio monitors, MIDI controllers, or =
keyboards,
but also willing to trade for decent electric guitars and/or amps.  Most =
of
this stuff will go on Craigslist next weekend at a higher price, but you
guys get first whack in case any of you are interested.  If not, no =
worries.


=20

1)      Acer Timeline X laptop (model 4820T) -- $300

a.       Intel i3 M380 Quad-core CPU @2.53Ghz

b.      4GB RAM

c.       640GB hard drive

d.      Iron Lake GPU

e.      Built-in webcam and WiFi

f.        Battery still gets up to 4 hours per charge

g.       Running Ubuntu 12.04, but comes with a valid key for Windows 7 =
Home
Premium

h.      For the full $400 I will throw in FREE Chrome Citizen messenger =
bag
(http://www.chromeindustries.com/bags/messenger-bags/citizen-messenger-ba=
g)
(also mint condition)

2)      Vizio CA27-A0 All-in-One PC -- $600

a.       Intel i3 3110M Quad-core CPU @2.40Ghz

b.      4 GB RAM

c.       1TB hard drive

d.      Intel 4000HD GPU (will play a surprising number of modern games)

e.      27=94 LED screen (less than =BD=94 thick) with 1080p resolution

f.        Built-in webcam, wireless, Bluetooth, USB 3.0, 2.1 sound with
integrated subwoofer

g.       HDMI pass-through=97you can connect another =
computer/laptop/tablet
and use this as a 27=94 monitor and 2.1 speaker system, even if the =
computer
itself is turned off (I=92m doing this with the gaming rig below)

h.      Running Ubuntu 12.04, but comes with a valid key for Windows 7 =
Home
Premium

i.         Includes media remote and Bluetooth keyboard and trackpad

j.        See pics and more specs here:  =
http://store.vizio.com/ca27a0.html
Seriously, if you want a Linux home desktop to make your Mac friends
jealous, this is it.

3)      Customized Asus Essentio Gaming Desktop/Suite --$999

a.       Intel i7-3770 Quad-core CPU @3.40Ghz

b.      16GB RAM

c.       1TB hard drive

d.      NVidia 660ti GPU

e.      Corsair GS800 800-watt power supply

f.        Includes HP Elite v2 wireless desktop, Logitech PS-style =
gamepad,
and Bose Companion 2 speakers

g.       Includes Plantronics .Audio 995 Wireless Headset

h.      Includes 24=94 Asus =93ring stand=94 1080p monitor=20

i.         Gigabit Ethernet (no wireless, had to remove the card to make
room for the GPU)

j.        Front-panel card reader (MMC/XD/SD/SDHC) and USB 3.0 ports

k.       Running Windows 7, averages 60-90FPS on Bioshock Infinite or =
Skyrim
(with upgraded texture pack) at maximum settings

4)      Kindle Fire HD 7=94 - $170 including accessories

a.       16GB version

b.      Comes with AmazonBasics Kindle-specific Bluetooth keyboard, =
Marware
flip case, and AmazonBasics Fast Charger

5)      Boxee Box - $80

a.       Ethernet and 802.11n WiFi

b.      Stream from your networked computers/drives, or play from USB or =
SD
card

c.       Stream YouTube, Vimeo, and more

6)      Cisco-Linksys Media Hub (model NMH305) - $100

a.       500GB version

b.      2 drive bays (SATA), upgradable to 2TB storage

c.       Front-panel LCD for status and diagnostics

d.      2 USB ports to attach external drives

e.      Gigabit Ethernet

f.        Web-based interface for organizing and streaming media (NOTE: =
in
my experience it=92s best used as a standard network drive/NAS. =
Interface
works but kinda sucks.)

=20

I=92m in Chattanooga, in St Elmo.  Let me know if you have any questions =
or
want to check out any of the items by emailing me directly at moriarty6 =
[AT]
gmail.com.

=20

Thanks,

=20

-Aric

[OT] F2GH Tower ATX Case 12 External Bays!

From: Dave Brockman 
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> Free 2 Good Home: Full Tower ATX Case featuring 11 external 5.25
> bays (divided conveniently into 1 3-bay section and 2 4-bay
> sections, for those 4n3 and 5n4 hot plug drive cages) and 1
> external 3.5 bay (dunno wtf for! :>)  This was my home file server,
> it has a PSU, MLB + RAM, onboard VGA/AUDIO/NIC of some flavor that
> worked in Slack 2.4.  (best

In the interest of full disclosure, I have no idea if the audio worked
or not, and the VGA displayed a text console, ummm, like twice after
install, otherwise it ran headless.  And by Slack 2.4, what my fingers
actually meant was Slack on a 2.4 kernel, pre-splash screen GRUB if
that helps anyone pull version numbers out of their arse.

> I remember single core Athlon XP something w/ nVidia chipset) that
> may or may not work (Everything still powered up when I retired it,
> the RAID arrays refused to rebuild after a drive failure so I
> copied the data to the new file server and powered it off).
> 
> RAID controller, drives, cages *NOT* included.  I do have a 4n3
> SATA hot swap cage available for a burrito from Mojo....
> 
> Anyone interested, please let me know before 2/28.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> dtb

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Inquiry: Weekend Casual Swap meet?

From: Stephen Kraus 
------------------------------------------------------
Since I was not able to make it tonight to meet with Ed, I propose a swap
meet at Aaron's place if he'll have us.

List of things I can bring for sale or trade

Sager 9750 Mobile Workstation (AKA Alienware)
-Socket 940 AMD Athlon 64 X2 2.4 Ghz CPU (Yes, a DESKTOP CPU, you can run
Opterons...in a laptop)
-2 GB DDR SODIMM
-NO HARD DRIVE (supports 2 x SATA 150 Hard Disks in RAID or Standard Mode)
-DVD-RW, supports a 2nd optical drive in another bay or a 3rd hard disk.
-1900x1200 WXGA LCD
-Nvidia 7800 GTX 256MB Dedicated Video Card (Upgradeable to a 7950 GTX
512MB)

Its a 6 year old laptop, but its not gutless.

IBM Intellistation Z Pro
- Dual 500 Mhz Slot P3 Xeons
- 2 GB ECC SDRAM
- An 80GB and a 150 GB ATA Hard Disk
- AGP ATI Video Card

Also very old, still works awesome, was running CentOS and was my old media
server

Gateway Desktop PC

AMD Athlon X2 2.0 Ghz
2GB DDR
Nvidia IGP (Has a PCI-e x16 slot, ver 2.0)
DVD/RW and DVD reader
Media Card Reader.
Unknown Hard Disk

Fished it out of the trash, it works great, but its not in use.

White Box Desktop PC

AMD Opteron 2.0 Ghz
3GB DDR
Nvidia 7200 GS 256MB PCI-e x16 Graphics
60GB and 1TB Hard Disk (1TB is reporting SMART failures but I'm not seeing
degraded performance and its still functioning normally)

My current desktop, built out of spares.

I also have a bunch of mobile CPUs (AMD Athlon x2 Mobile and Core 2 Duos),
DDR2 SODIMM and some DDR2 RAM, and a bunch of 2U Pentium 3 1.3 Ghz Servers
I am willing just give away.

2 old computers, free to a good home. Must take it all.

From: Jeff Lanthripp 
------------------------------------------------------
My house is a wreck - way too much crap cluttering up the place. Some
of it is old computer stuff.

I have the following to get rid of, need the space. Free to a good
home. Whoever takes it must take it all. I am also posting this on
craigslist and freecycle.

Here's the list:

1st computer:
Intel P2 Celeron 366mhz, I think it has 256MB of RAM. I forget the
hard drive size, I think it's something like 20GB. Riva 128 video
card. some sort of DVD-ROM drive
Comes with HP PS/2 keyboard, optical mouse, and 15" CRT monitor. It's
in an Antec or Chieftec (can't remember which, but they're the same
thing) full-tower ATX case. It has a 10/100 ethernet card in it also.

2nd computer:
AMD Athlon XP 2500+ (Barton core at 1833mhz). 512MB RAM, 120GB ATA100
hard drive. CD-RW drive. nVidia GeForce 4400Ti AGP video card if I
recall correctly, dual-head. Built around an ASUS A7V8X-X motherboard.
Comes with (2) 17" NEC CRT monitors IBM Model M keyboard (clicky!) and
an optical wireless mouse.

email me at jeff.lanthripp@gmail.com - I will be available for pickup

Also, for anyone interested, I have two old HP Laserjet II printers
that have been in my toolshed for at least 8 years. If you want them,
let me know. You help me dig them out and they're yours.

-- 
Jeff Lanthripp
jeff.lanthripp@gmail.com

Falling in love again.... (with Linux)

From: Mike Harrison 
------------------------------------------------------

Finally got some time between road trips where I could retool my main 
laptop (a big clunky Sony with a great screen and keyboard) from Ubuntu 
12.04.

I installed the latest Bodhi. (Ubuntu + Enlightenment)
which is much more gelled then even a few weeks ago.
I picked the plain "Laptop/Tablet" interface,
"Default" theme.. set "Window Focus" to "Click Windows to Focus"

from command line:
apt-get install cups libreoffice joe vlc evolution xterm firefox...
(all my usual programs)

Am just using a couple of shell scripts to change my screen configs
for different dual monitor configs.. like:

   xrandr --auto --output VGA-1 --mode 1920x1080 --right-of LVDS-1

Without using the funkier and funkier nvidia settings manager..

Right clicking a running program's taskbar icon gave me the ability to 
add a program to a quick select favorites list (right click on desktop 
anywhere) and a mac-ish quick launch menu (mode specific)..

What I feel:

   My laptop is FAST again.
    Only using 1gb of ram (with a Lamp server installed!)
   The interface is clean, crisp, high contrast and.. did I say: Fast!
   No hangs no hiccups no pauses..

   With everything installed, I'm using just under 10gb of HD,
   including a restore of lots of crud (docs/data/pics/etc..) from
   my old system.

In many ways it is old skool.. but with just enough
polish to feel sexy and powerful. Everything so far, just works.
It feels good to be in love again. :)















Weird virtualbox... [SOLVED]

From: "kitepilot@kitepilot.com" 
------------------------------------------------------
Well, I wiped out Mint and installed Debian squeeze.
All good now...   :)
ET 


kitepilot@kitepilot.com writes: 

> Well, I was able to determine that the 'malloc' error is happening in *MY* 
> box (I thought it was happening on the *other* box), so I booted my box 
> with a 'Rescatux' CD, installed SSH, did:
> ssh -fCXY user@remote virtualbox
> and it worked...  
> 
> What that means to me is that both, the last Xubuntu and the last Mint, 
> have some weird interaction (kernel, video drivers, chipset, who knows) 
> that causes the problem.  
> 
> I am also having issues because my box was either rebooting X or rebooting 
> the whole enchilada, so I did run a memtest86+ for several hours without 
> issues and I expect the hardware to be trustworthy.
> It is some sort of hardware disliking software issue.
> Or so I hope..  
> 
> Now the question that I am trying to answer is:
> which distro should I install to avoid this nightmare?
> The quest goes on...
> ET  
> 
> PS: This box has an ATI video card, should I expect a Nvidia to have 
> better results?   I have always have a better luck with Nvidia, but 
> YMMV...  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> kitepilot@kitepilot.com writes:  
> 
>> Well, the Gnomes are at work (again) in my box and I could certainly use 
>> some help to evict them...   
>> 
>> This is what's happening:
>> I use:
>> 'ssh -fCXY user@remotebox run-something'
>> a lot.
>> Works every time.
>> Or 'mostly' every time...   
>> 
>> Now when I run (ONLY from *MY* box):
>> ssh -fCXY turboviking virtualbox
>> I get:
>> *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox: malloc(): memory 
>> corruption: 0x099c5e48 ***
>> And a long trace.   
>> 
>> This is the quick rundown of how it broke:
>> My desktop was having hiccups and I decided to replace whatever I had 
>> (can't remember what) with the latest Xubuntu.
>> After that, the problem started.
>> This problem, coupled with other issues, led me to scrap Xubuntu and 
>> install the latest Mint/Mate.
>> Problem didn't go away...
>> The Xubuntu and Mint installations were fresh from-scratch installs, the 
>> only thing I preserved was my home directory.   
>> 
>> So the conclusion was evident: there is something in my /home/directory 
>> causing the problem.
>> Nope...
>> Created another user, rebooted the box and logged in with the new user.
>> Same $#!T...   :(   
>> 
>> Now, ANYTHING else that I have fired up works just fine.
>> And If I run the exact same instruction from other of my local boxes, it 
>> works fine too!
>> It is ONLY 'vitualbox in my box' that fails.
>> But it used to work just fine...   
>> 
>> Now the (unsolvable and incomprehensible to me) question is:
>> What could possibly be breaking the whole 'remote SSH run' mechanism 
>> (ONLY for Virtualbox) in my box, which used to work fine before, and 
>> works fine from everywhere else.
>> Other than sacrificing another goat and burying some transistors and 
>> garlic wrapped on anti-static paper at midnite with no Moon, I don't know 
>> what to do...   
>> 
>> I have seen Virtualbox do weird things before when ran it remotely under 
>> X/SSH, but this blows my (little) mind.  :(
>> Any ideas?
>> Sight...
>> ET
>> 

Hacking xorg.conf

From: John Aldrich 
------------------------------------------------------
Ok, I have the following as  my xorg.conf and it STILL won't give an option of 
a resolution higher than 1024x768:

# RPM Fusion - nvidia-xorg.conf
# 
Section "Device"
        Identifier  "Videocard0"
        Driver      "nvidia"
EndSection
Section "Monitor"
        Identifier   "Monitor1"
        VendorName   "Dell"
        ModelName    "E2210H"
        HorizSync    30.0 - 83.0
        VertRefresh  50.0 - 75.0
        Modeline "1920x1080@75" 249.64 1920 1952 2896 2928 1080 1101 1114 1135
EndSection


What more do I need to do to force it to allow me to have a higher resolution? 
I haven't had to hand-create an xorg.conf file from scratch like this before... 
at least in the past, I had SOME idea what I was doing with the Xf86.conf file, 
but this doesn't have any real resemblence to what I used to hack on back 
then.

It just seems to ignore the settings in the monitor section. Do I need to 
specify something in the "device" section?

The apparatus vent will deploy a non-weighted companion core. Please take good care of it.

From: Cameron Kilgore 
------------------------------------------------------
Next Nvidia Teg~*~!3*`-3`83=89f!$@$@%R!DSDF~

Oops, did I accidentally fizzle that link before you could use it? Sorry.
Here's another.

Next Nvidia Tegra chip will have a fifth low-power "Companion Core" to run
tasks in standby
mode

Will make for some awesome WebOS
phones.

Fedora 15 and no sound

From: John Aldrich 
------------------------------------------------------
F15 is working remarkably well. Since I rebooted with the KVM on the linux 
box, the scroll is working again (imagine that...) Unfortunately I don't 
have sound. Sound *was* working before I upgraded. This is an nVidia 
motherboard and sound chipset. Here's the output of the alsa-info script... 
not sure what's the relevant portions and what can be ignored so I'm 
posting the whole thing. Interestingly enough, it *appears* to be aliasing 
an Intel sound chipset for the nVidia chipset if I'm reading it right...
upload=true&script=true&cardinfo=
!!################################
!!ALSA Information Script v 0.4.60
!!################################

!!Script ran on: Mon May 30 03:37:50 UTC 2011


!!Linux Distribution
!!------------------

Fedora release 15 (Lovelock) Fedora release 15 (Lovelock) Fedora release 15 
(Lovelock) Fedora release 15 (Lovelock)


!!DMI Information
!!---------------

Manufacturer:      System manufacturer
Product Name:      System Product Name
Product Version:   System Version


!!Kernel Information
!!------------------

Kernel release:    2.6.38.6-27.fc15.x86

Need a multi-head Linux desktop this morning.

From: Mike Harrison 
------------------------------------------------------

My desktop system toasted this morning. Stuck on the Bios splash screen.
I did the usual's (reset ram, cpu, etc.. )
Got too much work to do. I need to buy a nice multi-head capable desktop
system this morning, preferably with an nvidia card...

Any reccomendations?

I'm heading towards best-buy at hamilton place,
and the guys on gunbarrel road (I forget the name).

--Mike--




OS recommendation

From: Stephen Rees 
------------------------------------------------------
Linux or Windows?

J/k! Actually, I've been using Mandriva for a few years via my Dad's subscri=
ption to their Powerpack version.=20

However, their recent repository issue and some stability problems have me c=
onsidering putting something else on.=20

I'm looking for:
- stability
- Gnome (former KDE addict, but converted for maturity/stability of project)=

- good hardware compatibility=20
- dual screens via docking station
- using compiz on Nvidia graphics
- broadcom rebranded to Dell for wifi
- Bluetooth
- 64 bit
- vmware
- unfortunately, needs to play nicely in a MS environment.=20

I don't mind paying for a solid distro if I get something well-maintained. I=
'm tired of having to switch between distros every few years as they wane ou=
t of existence or start sucking really bad. It seems every time I get new ha=
rdware I have to try 5 or 6 distress to find one that works well.=20

Be nice to find something that can handle more than two screens.=20


- Stephen

Sent from my iPhone=

RE: Best HTPC distro

From: Cornelius Hemphill 
------------------------------------------------------
For my HTPC, I use XP Pro. I don't use any special software like media
center. I just use the mouse to launch things. I plan on writing my own
custom media center that will load on startup. I use PowerDVD 8 for watching
movies, both DVD and Blu-ray. Sometimes I'll use it to listen to music.
Other times I use Music Jukebox. I use different emulators to play my games.


Computer Specs:

Gygabyte Motherboard and Gigabyte 750W ps. I don't have the board product
code right now.

Cpu: E7300 intel Core 2 Duo - 2.66 GHZ
4Gig Ram but Windows 32bit don't see it all.
NVidia 9500gt graphics card.
Sound card: *Best Buy* RocketFish 5.1 PCI card*
Walmart:* LiteOn Blu-ray reader/DVD-CD writer.
Wester Digital 1TB drive
Segate 120GB drive
RocketFish All-in-One card reader

Surprisingly the whole system came right at $500. I thought it was going to
cost way more than that. I bought parts here
a little there a little on sale. I'm happy with the system mainly because my
son and I built it together, which I really love.

graphics cards

From: John Aldrich 
------------------------------------------------------
What's the best graphics chipset to get for a Linux box these days? I'd 
like something that Linux will actually have a driver for and use to the 
full potential, unlike nVidia. I like nVidia cards, but you don't get the 
"enhanced" graphics from them under Linux like you do with Windows. :-(

Is ATI still the GPU of choice? Any particular manufacturer/model you guys 
like? I'm not looking for high-end here... just something that will allow 
me to play Doom or something similar without putting all the burden on my 
CPU and the on-board graphics. 

Oh, yeah... How do I tell if the slot on the motherboard is a PCI-X, PCI-x 
2.0, PCI-X 2.1, PCI-x16 or what?

Thanks

Linux for kids

From: Flushy 
------------------------------------------------------
I took an old P4 and installed Qimo on it last night.

Wow. Easy-peasy.

I had some generic off brand wireless Ralink pci card in it, and everything w=
orked out of the box. I only had to tweak a few things (explained below).

Qimo 2 is based on Ubuntu 10.10. The splash screens are very kid friendly, a=
nd the install messages were very informative (parents do the install).

The first thing you do is setup a parent login, which is just a normal ubunt=
u "admin" login (sudo access). I wish the installer highlighted that point m=
ore clearly as I ended up renaming the login to be me (after install) rather=
 than my son as I had assumed.

It comes with their skinned version of a desktop. It's probably XFCE or gnom=
e, but it's real identity is hidden so far. It's great for kids.

Parents can use that or the real XFCE Desktop. It's selectable upon login (l=
ike normal ubuntu).

It comes with lots of neat games that are all included with ubuntu, but what=
 I like is the Mac like launch bar at the bottom in the Qimo Desktop. It's v=
ery intuitive and my son knew exactly how to navigate it. The button icons a=
re large and readable.

I set it up so he has to select his name and type in his password. I figure h=
e should get used to using a computer in that way. The wireless networking s=
ecurity I setup beforehand.

Tweaks:

I created /tmp as tmpfs. One problem with making it noexec, nodev is that in=
itramfs create script breaks. I just have to remember to do a -o remount,exe=
c before running it. You'll have to edit fstab and reboot (or use lsof and t=
hen mount it):

[fstab]
none  /tmp  tmpfs  defaults,nodev  0 0
[---]

My dvdr either has a firmware bug, or it's something else. Basiclly I had ti=
meouts on bootup after libata scans my EIDE bus and tries to query the dvdr.=
 It keeps lowering the negotiation speed of that bus from UDMA/33 all the wa=
y down to PIO4 till it works. The install cd didn't have this issue. I solve=
d it by adding: libata.force=3D2.0:pio4 to grub (/etc/default/grub: Linux cm=
d line)

Next was installing the nVidia driver. Actually, I didn't do it - it ASKED m=
e if I wanted it. It made a huge difference in video performance as I'm gues=
sing my card wasn't fully supported by the open source driver.

In summary, I highly recommend Qimo for anyone with kids in elementary schoo=
l.

--b