New to chugalug

From: Garrett Gaston 
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Name's Garrett=2C I'M new to chugalug and fairly new to Linux and I look fo=
rward to meeting the group=2C I have a lot to learn. I searched meetup.com =
several times for a group like this but with no luck=2C you guys should con=
sider creating one.
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=============================================================== From: Sean Brewer ------------------------------------------------------ Meetup is cool. The downside to Meetup is that there is a monthly fee, which varies depending on how many months you want, attached to it. If the group collected dues or people chipped in it would *probably* be worth it.

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 3 Apr 2011 12:49:50 -0500 Garrett Gaston wrote: Now I'm kind of an adjunct chugalugger, 'cause I live 2500 miles away, but isn't the rule that the person who asks when the next meeting is becomes president and meeting organizer for it?

=============================================================== From: Adam Jimerson ------------------------------------------------------ Dan Lyke wrote:

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ I am 1200 miles away, and I believe that rule stands

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ I second that. He has to learn sometime. The one standing rule of Chugalug= is that if you are the first to ask for a meeting, then you are now preside= nt and in charge of organizing the next meeting. Our staple locations have b= een: Sweet Peppers The Terminal Hair of the Dog Pick a place and time. At least a few of us will show up with a penguin. := +P -AW

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Welcome Garrett. I'm one of the "elders" (I should slap him for that..) and you get a pass on the meeting rule of Chugalug because you are new. Welcome to socially responsible constructive (usually) anarchy. Much like Linux and the Linux world. I pretend to be list moderator: http://www.chugalug.org/widget/about/About.html says it well. The meeting rule says: If you complain about not having regularly schedule meetings, you are automatically nominated and elected as "President" or "Supreme Dictator" with the sole reponsibility of announcing/hosting a meeting. Your choice of venue, time, topic.. etc.. You are automatically impeached at the end of the meeting. ---- Now for fun: What flavor of Linux do you favor this week? (I'm running Ubuntu on most things)

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ Given the slowness of the CentOS geeks to get something even resembling = an update with important security patches out, I've been playing around = with Scientific Linux alot lately

=============================================================== From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" ------------------------------------------------------ Have you looked at CentOS Plus? The main goal of CentOS is to remain as close to the RHEL version as possible, not to be "bleeding edge"... n

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ It's not about bleeding edge software. I'm perfectly fine dealing with = stable software that's not the most current version, lord knows I've = been dealing with it for debian for years. For me, bleeding edge is = usually a big pain in the ass, because it means I'm going to spend time = reconfiguring crap I've configured before. The problem with CentOS is that for the last couple releases, there has = been some major slippage, and it's getting worse as time goes on. With = RHEL 5.6 and RHEL 6.0 out, they're dragging behind even further, and it = shows no sign of improving. I'm not particularly concerned with Centos6 = coming out, since changes between RHEL5 and RHEL6 have forced the = recommended upgrade path to be 'migrate old installs to newly installed = boxen, or reinstall completely', but the dragging ass on the 5.6 release = is horrible. There are alot of Centos5.5 boxen out there that haven't = received any patches in a long time, and upstream fixed some rather = important security issues.=20 In the meantime, both Oracle and Scientific Linux have managed to roll = out 6.0 versions (yes, I realize they both have paid developers on their = projects, but that's still no excuse to be this far behind the ball) The slowness, and the lack of communication from the dev team has shaken = confidence in the project. You would have to be insane to try and = justify the use of CentOS in the enterprise at the moment, especially = for any public facing box. You can follow the drama regarding this set of releases in the following = thread if you're interested. = https://www.centos.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic

=============================================================== From: Billy ------------------------------------------------------ I'm running gentoo on several machines (4). Ubuntu on a netbook, and Qimo (U= buntu based) for kids for my son's computer. --b On Apr 3, 2011, at 7:48 PM, "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" wr= ote: n

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ I'm happy with my Fedora 14 box at home. I have a number of machines at the office loaded with Ubuntu 10, but I don't need to replace AS/400 terminals very often, so I have a number of them stacked up waiting to be used. :-)

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ I am currently on Ubuntu 10.x. I use 10.04 LTS for servers at work and 10.10 for desktop. I forgot 11.4 was coming out so I haven't looked at it. Used to run Fedora in production but the 18 month support cycle was a little to fast for me.

=============================================================== From: John Hunt ------------------------------------------------------ I am looking for a way for that the little college I work at can provide access to a document repository using a web browser. These docs range from course syllabus to expense forms. Currently we use public document folders that are implemented through MS exchange. Our IT director=92s idea is to move to sharepoint, since that=92s what her MS salesrep recommend. I=92ve looked at it briefly and don=92t see a match for our situation. Really all we need is a simple way to post and access documents using a web browser. I was hoping someone on the list might know of something.

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ Avoid Sharepoint... =46rom someone who supports and sells Microsoft enterpri= se products. Sharepoint honestly needs a dedicated and skilled admin to wor= k correctly or bad juju happens. -AW =99s what =99t see a

=============================================================== From: Stephen Rees ------------------------------------------------------ FTP? Lol. A whole lot cheaper, tried, true, and effective.=20 - Stephen Sent from my iPhone =99s what =99t see a

=============================================================== From: Sean Brewer ------------------------------------------------------ You could try Alfresco: http://www.alfresco.com/ The community edition is open sourced/free.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Alfresco? And Oh My! Google says there are a lot more players in the OS DM market than the last time I looked. There is also another package that wraps over Alfresco and maybe something else... I remember poking at it a couple of months ago, but I can't remember the name of it. I just find Alfresco's interface painful to my eyeballs and full of JavaSpeed(tm)... but the mentioned package didn't make my eyes bleed... All joking aside, the SVN over WebDAV via HTTPS also gives you a (pretty boring) browseable directory structure and contained documents. Anything you can use to auth w/ Apache, you can use to control it. LDAP user authentication w/ AD is easy, more granular authorization via groups is a PITA. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk2byeoACgkQABP1RO+tr2SGVQCgu8rS6T8AvjGbwQEgKDiuRB4m +y8AoKngAfXcCVW+IIEDuA5pav38lXFP =ZNVo -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Billy ------------------------------------------------------ And, then you need clue-filled pointy hairs that will understand what it can and can't do, or are willing to spend the time, money and energy to make it do that. I've heard of "people" using subversion for sharing documents. It's not all out a bad idea. Messy, perhaps, but not bad. What's wrong with using a Wiki project of some sort? --b

=============================================================== From: cynicalgeek@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------ Public or private college? The laws may affect your decision.=20 Sent from my iPhone =99s what =99t see a

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ if an intranet a linux samba share would do.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "John Hunt" =20 To: "CHUGALUG" =20 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 9:51:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20 Subject: Re: [Chugalug] New to chugalug=20 I am looking for a way for that the little college I work at can=20 provide access to a document repository using a web browser. =C2=A0These=20 docs range from course syllabus to expense forms. =C2=A0Currently we =C2=A0= use=20 public document folders that are implemented through MS exchange.=20 Our IT director=E2=80=99s idea is to move to =C2=A0sharepoint, since that= =E2=80=99s what=20 her MS salesrep recommend. =C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve looked at it briefly and don= =E2=80=99t see a=20 match for our situation. =C2=A0Really all we need is a simple way to post= =20 and access documents using a web browser. =C2=A0I was hoping someone on the= =20 list might know of something.=20

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ I also recall a really good O'Reilly book on PDF hacks that might give you = ideas.=20 My copy had some cool pdf html hacks.=20 I think it called spinning documents portal.=20 http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596006556/=20 http://oreilly.com/catalog/pdfhks/chapter/index.html=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Rod-Lists" =20 To: "CHUGALUG" =20 Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2011 12:52:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20 Subject: Re: [Chugalug] New to chugalug=20 if an intranet a linux samba share would do.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "John Hunt" =20 To: "CHUGALUG" =20 Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2011 9:51:26 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20 Subject: Re: [Chugalug] New to chugalug=20 I am looking for a way for that the little college I work at can=20 provide access to a document repository using a web browser. =C2=A0These=20 docs range from course syllabus to expense forms. =C2=A0Currently we =C2=A0= use=20 public document folders that are implemented through MS exchange.=20 Our IT director=E2=80=99s idea is to move to =C2=A0sharepoint, since that= =E2=80=99s what=20 her MS salesrep recommend. =C2=A0I=E2=80=99ve looked at it briefly and don= =E2=80=99t see a=20 match for our situation. =C2=A0Really all we need is a simple way to post= =20 and access documents using a web browser. =C2=A0I was hoping someone on the= =20 list might know of something.=20

=============================================================== From: John Hunt ------------------------------------------------------ Sorry I missed changing the subject line. It's a private college. We spend about 1/2 as much on our IT staff as the typical college our size, so less admin impact is definitely better. It's painful to get all of our students to install software on their computers, so solutions that require client software are less desirable. Also may of our older faculty members try to get their classes into rooms with chalk boards instead of white boards as they are uncomfortable with a white board level of technology. I had thought about dropbox but that would sync all of the files to everybody instead of the handful they need. The Afresco looks interesting although still extreme overkill. I don't need to mash up anything. I just need to store and retrieve complete docs. Actually the ftp might work other than the user interface. I might be able to adapt something like phpboard. ise products. =A0Sharepoint honestly needs a dedicated and skilled admin to= work correctly or bad juju happens. t e a

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I encourage you to at least spin it up and perhaps have another user or two poke at it while you do the same. I have no doubt that it is overkill, but it is well supported, mature and the few times I have set it up, I haven't had to go back and do anything with them since. A quick check on the Google results of "Open Source Document Managment" gives a ton of hits compares to just a couple of years ago. You might find something more to your liking on the first couple of pages. Depending on your needs (and eye-candy requirements) an SVN over WebDAV solution might work for you -- everyone can browse and view, via a browser, posting would require a SVN client. There is one for Windows w/ decent shell integration, so it really is a matter of right-click and update/commit. I'm sure there are templates for webcvs that can assist with the eye-candy too. The plain functional directory structure works great for me :) Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ Question is who will be creating the documents.=20 Will this be a mostly one time upload=C2=A0thing or ongoing?=20 As someone who has had to navigate between Amipro, coreal, and msword stron= gly urge you=C2=A0 =C2=A0 decide on a common file format.=20 Personally I think PDF is the way to go. However your needs may differ.=20 =20 =A0use=20 t=E2=80=99s what=20 on=E2=80=99t see a=20 t=20 the=20

=============================================================== From: John Hunt ------------------------------------------------------ Searching on Afresco I found some competitors. there's one called Knowledge Tree that looked like it might be a fit. I think its webdav under the covers. Has anyone tried KnowledgeTree? e: prise products. =A0Sharepoint honestly needs a dedicated and skilled admin = to work correctly or bad juju happens. se hat see a he

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ---- From: John Hunt my knowledge tree got struck by lightning... and it never grew back

=============================================================== From: "kitepilot@kitepilot.com" ------------------------------------------------------ I smoked mine... :) Ed King writes:

=============================================================== From: Sean Brewer ------------------------------------------------------ That windows SVN client you speak of is tortoisesvn: http://tortoisesvn.net= / It's pretty good. There's a Mac SVN client in the same vein as tortoisesvn that I like as well: http://scplugin.tigris.org/ at ee a e

=============================================================== From: Billy ------------------------------------------------------ If you're going to use ftp, you might just look at subversion with webdav support. I'm sure there is a way (or existing project) that allows you to upload documents to the subversion server, too. That will give you revision control, which is probably your secondary focus for file shares, but should probably be your primary focus with sharing files secondary :) --b