Recommendations for server hosting

From: Lisa Ridley 
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I've currently got a VPS web server with a hosting company in Virginia, =
and my contract will be up in a few months.  I am looking for a new =
hosting setup, as there have been numerous service issues over the past =
6 months or so with the current provider.

While I'd love to, running a web server from home is not an option -- I =
live outside Chattanooga, AT&T is the only reliable ISP in our area and =
the bandwidth is just not there.
While I'm currently using a VPS, I'm seriously considering moving to a =
dedicated server as well.

Desired configuration:
-- Hardware that will support 64bit Linux OS, preferably CentOS 5
-- 2Mhz dual core processor minimum
-- 2GB RAM minimum (I run some memcached servers)
-- 1TB data transfer/mo minimum
-- 2 dedicated IP addresses minimum
-- 100Mbps ethernet minimum -- prefer 1GB
-- 80GB minimum HD storage -- a RAID would be a REALLY nice to have, but =
not necessary
-- LAMP stack (I can configure)
-- In addition to LAMP,  I'll be running a MongoDB server (which will =
not run in an OpenVZ virtualized environment, but runs fine in a Xen =
virtual container) continuously, and will on occasion fire up a CouchDB =
server for development purposes
-- Git server
-- Control panel would be a bonus, but I'm comfortable at the command =
line
-- Remote shell access with root capabilities

This server will host a support forum with moderate traffic, a couple of =
websites and will be my testing playground for web apps with a MongoDB =
database backend.

I can install and configure Apache / PHP / MySQL / MongoDB and the other =
software pkgs once the Server OS and remote shell software is up and =
running.

I'm open to local Colo, but don't currently own a rackmount server.  =
Acquiring one if needed is not a problem -- would need a little guidance =
with hardware configuration.

Am on a budget (aren't we all).



=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ D'oh...cannot type or proofread today :/ That's 2Ghz dual core, not 2Mhz. :D Virginia, and my contract will be up in a few months. I am looking for = a new hosting setup, as there have been numerous service issues over the = past 6 months or so with the current provider. I live outside Chattanooga, AT&T is the only reliable ISP in our area = and the bandwidth is just not there. dedicated server as well. but not necessary not run in an OpenVZ virtualized environment, but runs fine in a Xen = virtual container) continuously, and will on occasion fire up a CouchDB = server for development purposes line of websites and will be my testing playground for web apps with a = MongoDB database backend. other software pkgs once the Server OS and remote shell software is up = and running. Acquiring one if needed is not a problem -- would need a little guidance = with hardware configuration.

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ 2MHz...what are you trying to calculate, times tables?

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ Shut up, Cameron :D wrote: Virginia, and my contract will be up in a few months. I am looking for = a new hosting setup, as there have been numerous service issues over the = past 6 months or so with the current provider. -- I live outside Chattanooga, AT&T is the only reliable ISP in our area = and the bandwidth is just not there. a dedicated server as well. but not necessary will not run in an OpenVZ virtualized environment, but runs fine in a = Xen virtual container) continuously, and will on occasion fire up a = CouchDB server for development purposes command line couple of websites and will be my testing playground for web apps with a = MongoDB database backend. other software pkgs once the Server OS and remote shell software is up = and running. Acquiring one if needed is not a problem -- would need a little guidance = with hardware configuration.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ 2mhz dual core? Did Mike mod that timex sinclair I gave him? :P Back on topic of the thread. try http://coastlandtech.com/ Don runs centos. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Ridley" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2011 12:38:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Re: Recommendations for server hosting Shut up, Cameron :D 2MHz...what are you trying to calculate, times tables? D'oh...cannot type or proofread today :/ That's 2Ghz dual core, not 2Mhz. :D

=============================================================== From: wes ------------------------------------------------------ what are you expecting to pay monthly for this? or at least, what are you paying monthly currently? I do recommend sticking with VPS unless you need hardware for some specific reason. None of the applications you've outlined jump out at me in this context. I am a big fan of Slicehost, their prices in particular. -wes

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ Lisa, I would seriously consider Amazon EC2 as well. What you describe is between a "Small" and "Large" EC2 instance but you'd probably save money by running two "small" instances - one for LAMP and one for playing. A Large instance running 24x7 is going to be about $240/mo whereas small instances are about $60/mo. The great thing about "playing" in EC2 is you only pay for the playground when you're using it. And right now, if you don't have an EC2 account, they'll give you a micro instance for a year for free. The problem of colo'ing your own hardware is that you have to maintain that hardware. Nothing sucks worse than having to go down to the colo facility and spend "quality time" with flagging hardware. Once upon a time, that usually involved dodging Debbie and drinking Mike's questionable coffee (but the colo rates were worth the effort!). -Eric -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 720-334-77= 34 ic sting or the not or ne nce

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ I looked at Slicehost, I think there's a problem with MongoDB you paying monthly currently? specific reason. None of the applications you've outlined jump out at me = in this context. wrote: Virginia, and my contract will be up in a few months. I am looking for = a new hosting setup, as there have been numerous service issues over the = past 6 months or so with the current provider. I live outside Chattanooga, AT&T is the only reliable ISP in our area = and the bandwidth is just not there. dedicated server as well. but not necessary not run in an OpenVZ virtualized environment, but runs fine in a Xen = virtual container) continuously, and will on occasion fire up a CouchDB = server for development purposes line of websites and will be my testing playground for web apps with a = MongoDB database backend. other software pkgs once the Server OS and remote shell software is up = and running. Acquiring one if needed is not a problem -- would need a little guidance = with hardware configuration.

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ Virginia, and my contract will be up in a few months. I am looking for = a new hosting setup, as there have been numerous service issues over the = past 6 months or so with the current provider. I live outside Chattanooga, AT&T is the only reliable ISP in our area = and the bandwidth is just not there. dedicated server as well. I maintain a VPS with linode.com just for my mail relay (apparently = other companies don't like you when you run a mail server off an IP in = Comcast's DHCP range... elitist bastards!) and I've never had a problem = with them. They do have a plan that looks like it would fit your needs. For dedicated servers, I can safely recommend cyberwurx (cyberwurx.com). = I used to maintain my dedicated server with them until I realized I was = paying 70 bucks a month for a mail relay, and could do that much = cheaper.=20 The 1TB of data transfer a month is going to be a stickler though. Most = plans that I've seen don't have that much bandwidth attached to them, = you'd have to buy it as a bolt-on to the normal web hosting package, and = it's not likely to be cheap.=20 If you actually need that much transfer, you might want to ask if the = host offers billing based on 95th percentile, and then do the math to = see what comes out better.

=============================================================== From: wes ------------------------------------------------------ Problem? Like what? -wes

=============================================================== From: wes ------------------------------------------------------ EC2 is good for some things. I use it at work. Important note: you cannot send emails out from an EC2 instance. Spamhaus has a permaban on all of Amazon's entire IP ranges. Slicehost (owned by Rackspace) does not have this problem. -wes

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ Wes, This is pretty significant. I haven't had to use EC2 for mail but I can see it being a serious source of pain. Of course, an option is to setup a secure relay somewhere cheaper. I pay about $10/month for a Bluehost account with a private IP that I could use as a mail relay. -Eric =3D-=3D- -7734 s : a, I nd a ll r B

=============================================================== From: wes ------------------------------------------------------ That's what we did. Except we went to Slicehost at $20/mo. I also use it for external uptime monitoring :) -wes

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 There are also options in between -- managed physical hardware is another option.... Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1RtB0ACgkQABP1RO+tr2TYyQCeN43fUTMWhIZIYD0RByFxNNGS XGIAnAsYjxxnWl9a5RZcciu5fZ41IJAg =s+HE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ If you can afford the plans for it. I'd go further but if I do I might be immolated by people who know so much but so little about data security.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You know *damn* well why that is, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with elitism. As a matter of fact, if you are not checking your incoming SMTP connections with the PBL, you are a bad, bad email admin. And you know better. :) Besides, you have other less expensive options as well :) Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1Rt2wACgkQABP1RO+tr2T5ogCfbJLCIxAE+HBwEh0woPhRK0Bn sJoAnjYW2HrBCcZkxAZuyhZrE1QGsvdX =AWY9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Just an FYI that in most Anti-SPAM circles I frequent, RackSpace is quickly being treated the same as EC2. They did it to themselves... Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1Rt9gACgkQABP1RO+tr2SZNQCfUyCWAm+VepfYAtY/qxeva3AI XdYAnA+ggfMbe6l7t6uGl6ho2bk+MlDo =88OL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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=============================================================== From: wes ------------------------------------------------------ This is good to know, I will start shopping for new providers immediately. though we haven't gotten a single complaint since we moved to Slicehost/Rackspace. In the version of reality I heard, when there was a major outbreak of spam late last year, Amazon all but ignored Spamhaus' attempts to communicate, while Rackspace worked closely with them to clean up the mess. Obviously, things can change, or turn out to have never been the way we thought they were. -wes

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Like most of the "cloud" providers who legally have access to your data and can report you if they find something they don't like? Or are you hinting more at integrity than confidentiality? Feel free to continue off-list, I'm actually rather interested in your thoughts... Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1RurUACgkQABP1RO+tr2SkMwCfYbpa0uoVYbcThiRVer9wN4p8 Gc0An3ClmqxEDpirNH7RhKqXh2zaU8IJ =dEIf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ At work our website is hosted with VPNtranet and they seem pretty clueful and the prices aren't bad, either.

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ Oh, of course, I'm being tongue in cheek ;) I just hate dealing with email in any capacity. So much bullshit, and everyone has different policies. Are you on the RBL's? Does your reverse DNS match? DKIM keys? One of your users got their box hacked and got your IP's added to the RBL's? I think it's easier to deal with a female's whimsy than to keep up with email administration.

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ Heh, yeah. If you want to raise your blood pressure a few points, try getting off SORBS.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Even for my small installation I prefer not to waste the resources, or accept that much garbage. Notice I said PBL, which is DHCP ISP space. Consumer Internet connections should *NOT* be attempting direct to MX submission to my mail server. I've been doing this since the days of the RBL, and I have yet to encounter a wrongfully blacklisted mail server. Shared hosts, yes, hosted clients with bad neighbors and shitty ISPs, yep. A singular IP address flagged for no reason, never. This of course does not count previously trashed, re-allocated IP space, nor does it count reputation systems like Barracuda that give you a low reputation if they haven't seen *any* mail traffic from your IP. I feel your pain, if you're referring to SpamCOP or SpamHAUS. There are certain DNS based BL that I don't recommend anyone use, but they are the second thing I configure, after rejecting invalid HELO and lack of reverse DNS.... Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1RvoMACgkQABP1RO+tr2QatQCgjEVHVtv9TyM1IfzhkCfSEiN2 9OkAoKcqoxDAM/YcH5WfYrxkcaD0oVcj =mT57 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dee Holtsclaw ------------------------------------------------------ AT&T solves that completely by blocking all inbound as well as outbound ports. If there was any other reasonably priced alternative available where I live, I would be using it already.

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=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 587 outbound? Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1RwyEACgkQABP1RO+tr2QUtwCffvwUm5keV11P8Nv5NXLKKSe1 oW0An2WjZ2dgz0D0IQi1O7RceRjQML7F =hK9H -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ This is my big pain. Getting ARIN allocations of previously bogon space, or space which got flagged under previous ownership was my biggest nightmare. Since we didn't allow customers to send mail via script through our normal mail cluster (had to go direct from the server), and the IP space was blocked from previous ownership, it made us look bad to our customers, and it meant a whole lot of bureaucratic nonsense in order to get it resolved.

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ Comcast used to do this to me as well. I don't know what or when it changed, but I'm no longer restricted on port 25 inbound connections, and I'm not longer forced to use their mail server for port 25 outbound.

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ Eric -- I looked at them. With the cost of a large instance and ongoing = cost for bandwidth, they're out of my price range. -=3D- you specific this wrote: Virginia, hosting months or -- I and the a but will not virtual server for command line couple of MongoDB other guidance

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ Linode's on my list. Cyberwurx is not -- I'll look at them. Virginia, and my contract will be up in a few months. I am looking for = a new hosting setup, as there have been numerous service issues over the = past 6 months or so with the current provider. I live outside Chattanooga, AT&T is the only reliable ISP in our area = and the bandwidth is just not there. a dedicated server as well. other companies don't like you when you run a mail server off an IP in = Comcast's DHCP range... elitist bastards!) and I've never had a problem = with them. They do have a plan that looks like it would fit your needs. (cyberwurx.com). I used to maintain my dedicated server with them until = I realized I was paying 70 bucks a month for a mail relay, and could do = that much cheaper.=20 Most plans that I've seen don't have that much bandwidth attached to = them, you'd have to buy it as a bolt-on to the normal web hosting = package, and it's not likely to be cheap.=20 host offers billing based on 95th percentile, and then do the math to = see what comes out better.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Most of them have gotten a little more complex than that nowadays. And if they haven't, I don't recommend using them. That sounds more like AOHell before Anna helped straighten them out.... I'm afraid accepting up to 3 or 4k SPAM per user is not an option on the majority of the email servers I am responsible for. Quality DNSBL are an effective and efficient means to ensure expensive content analysis is not performed on that volume as well. My vanity mail server has the extra cycles, my client's All-In-One usually underpowered to begin with servers do not. A good 30-50% of my connections are dropped outright because of no RDNS, and I use a scoring algo for the DNSRBL, so no single one will get you blocked, although you will get the referring message in your logs (should you be bothered to check such things) from the first DNSRBL you fail. Content Analysis doesn't scale :( Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1Rxt8ACgkQABP1RO+tr2SXCQCeOADdP8WgbenVncZ/m/23qgN6 z0oAoJkEchuE5tcW29JMVrNmgrZSJU8a =I52E -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ email nazi!

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Comcast would remove it if you were clueful enough to ask for it, in such a way that you portrayed that clue in the request, at least I got outbound removed here in Chatt at a few locations. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1RyPcACgkQABP1RO+tr2R8AwCfX0PezAZ0JbFC8QV5p5qV8bwl 1gsAn1WBeTs0d1MBfNnSRWASh0EbuW5Z =FKYT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Just wanted to echo w/ RS specifically, the costs tend to add up rather quickly. I beta-tested their stuff before they went live (and increased costs by 50%) and even at beta pricing we had to change the ways we did certain things, and where we kept certain things.... Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1RyYAACgkQABP1RO+tr2REHgCfSLQ3McuyIX2TZ+06ljYU16JY FycAniM1xp+dDfc4Xkf3k8sfMDJjg81+ =nPj8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah, but I didn't ask for it, I don't pay the bill. And the land lady does not fall into the realm of clueful.

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ My bad -- they're fine. It was another host that looked really good = till I found out they were using OpenVZ for virtualization/ wrote: you paying monthly currently? specific reason. None of the applications you've outlined jump out at me = in this context. wrote: Virginia, and my contract will be up in a few months. I am looking for = a new hosting setup, as there have been numerous service issues over the = past 6 months or so with the current provider. I live outside Chattanooga, AT&T is the only reliable ISP in our area = and the bandwidth is just not there. a dedicated server as well. but not necessary not run in an OpenVZ virtualized environment, but runs fine in a Xen = virtual container) continuously, and will on occasion fire up a CouchDB = server for development purposes line of websites and will be my testing playground for web apps with a = MongoDB database backend. other software pkgs once the Server OS and remote shell software is up = and running. Acquiring one if needed is not a problem -- would need a little guidance = with hardware configuration.

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=============================================================== From: wes ------------------------------------------------------ mailing lists are pretty darn easy on google apps for domains. -wes

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have to spend so much of my life dealing with email end-points that I don't control.... I could never [re|de]legate that elsewhere for myself. And I could never live w/o sieve again :) I gave up on those rants a couple of years ago. I'm still pissed that my SO's new job doesn't provide proper email support, only a forwarder, and their forwarding system changes all instances of her work email to her actual delivery email (duh, anyone else smell Exchange), so I now have to allow unauthenticated SMTP From: mydomain.com. So now I have to explain to her on a weekly basis why she suddenly gets these SPAM emails from herself too.... Most of the spammers are dip-shits, they can't even fill out the templates in their recently purchased mal-ware with something that even makes sense. I blame a whole lot of "admins" and "consultants" who don't properly secure perimeters a lot more. Even a brain dead watchguard firewall can block all outbound SMTP except your mail server... :) Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1R0/sACgkQABP1RO+tr2SlKwCePyUmcN+xPYY4puQ5EgaqWRvv ERYAnjxHGmZeNh2p3bepQLSVoq4/fzHK =6H/i -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 8 Feb 2011 15:27:10 -0800 wes wrote: Whoah. I just went looking: I'm having trouble nailing down pricing, but it appears that it's free for less than 50 users? How does it do mailing lists? Because I may end up giving my email to Google if that all "just works". Dan

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah, it's not having to keep one box on at home to filter your mail ;)

=============================================================== From: wes ------------------------------------------------------ correct, there is a free version with some of the features missing from the paid version, and a 50 user limit (which actually may be increased by Google on a case-by-case basis). in the admin interface, you can create an email "group" and specify members of that group, including pasting in a list of semicolon-separated email addresses. Just set it up yourself on a throwaway domain to get the feel for it. Be sure to test it thoroughly, there are definitely some headaches involved, but many of them for me have to do with have 1000 users on the free version (some of the features missing have to do with managing a lot of users). -wes

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ *it's NICE not having to, etc

=============================================================== From: flushy ------------------------------------------------------ +1 for blue host. If I need raw access to an external linux box, I bring up an ec2 instance. Otherwise, blue host handles everything, and I don't have to worry about it. --b

=============================================================== From: flushy ------------------------------------------------------ hahahaha.. you're funny. "getting off SORBS". Man, that's good stuff right there. *tear* --b

=============================================================== From: flushy ------------------------------------------------------ god, I'm so glad I'm not an email admin anymore. Last company I worked for when I had that job, we had trial of an iron port.. that lasted two years. It was pretty slick. This is not a memory lane I'd like to revisit, however. You all can have your SMTP servers. --b

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ I have a life outside the computer. Bluehost and Amazon let me live that life more fully. +infinity I may have a life, but Google owns my soul. I traded it for never having to configure Sendmail again. -Eric

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 And while correcting ourselves (reminded by a private message), again my typing does not keep up with my thoughts. I do not recommend using SpamCOP or *SORBS* for your connection lookups (or at all), and SpamHAUS has lists you don't want to use for Content or header inspection. Zen/PBL come to mind immediately. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1R9okACgkQABP1RO+tr2RGvgCdHBzovcNXch28KkYno/7qs75w E3gAoK99HEHvJt4NRGwXU22N2Cvw3fPa =vOCk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I kept my soul and found postfix :) Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1R9tUACgkQABP1RO+tr2THbACgvLkPPDU5/DyiaoDyGF2UlQw8 Cj8AnjdkEo9nNbMF8Dca20n0iw0a6Rfy =6YD5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah, I can't really tell if that qualifies as nerd humor, or dark humor hehe

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ Come on now, you and I both know you've never had a soul, quit frontin!

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