Best HTPC distro

From: Chad Smith 
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What distro, in your opinion, would be the best to use as a set top box /
HTPC / Media Center / Living Room PC?

What I'm looking for is an all-in-one-machine solution - nothing that
requires a "Front end" and a "Back end".  Want to be able to surf the web,
play audio/video files - including Hulu, YouTube, NetFlix, etc. - and has a
easy to use interface for TV based navigation.  Doesn't necessarily need DVR
capabilities, since I already have a DVR and I don't have a TV capture card
anyway.  The hardware is a Dell Optiplex Dual Core 1.6 Ghz 4 GB of RAM
(although Windows only "sees" 2 GB) - onboard graphics.

Thoughts?

(Not trying to start a flame war, nor trolling - trying to figure out what
to do with my craptastic desktop and my TV.)

- Chad W Smith
"I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February
10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ Well, Mythbuntu is usually a popular choice for this. That, or Boxee. I briefly screwed around with Mythbuntu, but never saw the need for it. = I ended up getting an xbox360 instead of building a real HTPC, and it's = served my needs. box / HTPC / Media Center / Living Room PC? requires a "Front end" and a "Back end". Want to be able to surf the = web, play audio/video files - including Hulu, YouTube, NetFlix, etc. - = and has a easy to use interface for TV based navigation. Doesn't = necessarily need DVR capabilities, since I already have a DVR and I = don't have a TV capture card anyway. The hardware is a Dell Optiplex = Dual Core 1.6 Ghz 4 GB of RAM (although Windows only "sees" 2 GB) - = onboard graphics. what to do with my craptastic desktop and my TV.) February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" ------------------------------------------------------ I'd move for Boxee. I plan on trying that, and it sounds like a *lot* easier to set up than Myth. Ubuntu... *gags* ved e web, a rily need DVR rd AM --=20 " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we=E2=80=99re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aar= on Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Sterling, Virginia USA

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ I've used boxee, it works well On Feb 7, 2011 10:43 AM, "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" wrote: I'd move for Boxee. I plan on trying that, and it sounds like a *lot* easier to set up than Myth. Ubuntu... *gags* -- " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we=92re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Sterling, Virginia USA

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ But Boxee isn't a distro - it's an app. Or am I missing something? Didn't see a distro download on their website. I did see app links for Ubuntu - but not for a full distro unto itself. Mythbuntu wanted to be either a front end or a back end when I tried to use it before. I don't want to have to use 2 machines. I want something that works on one machine. I tried GeexBox - but that isn't close to what I want. That's basically turning your computer into an mp3 player. That totally threw me. I also tried Element - and that's closer to what I want, but it didn't seem to work all that well with my HDTV, at least not off the LiveCD, and I was hoping to get more experienced input before I committed to the install. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - Februar= y 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Stephen Kraus wrot= e:

=============================================================== From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" ------------------------------------------------------ I'm a SUSE and Fedora guy, and I'm the one person on Earth who wasn't all googly-eyed over Ubuntu and thinks it's the greatest thing since beer came in a can... :P But everybody knows this. :P Just use your favorite distro, as long as it correctly outputs to the TV, audio works correctly, and the codecs you want to use are working, why should it matter? =C2=A0Didn't ntu - se ething that ally em s --=20 " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we=E2=80=99re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aar= on Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Sterling, Virginia USA

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ There is a Boxee Live CD Beta, check that out. But you are right, its more an app, but a custom built distro really should be done On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote: - y

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I messed with boxee over the weekend actually, media center was giving me problems and was looking for an alternative. It looks nice even as an app, but eventually went with media broswer for media center just because it was an easy fix for the problem i was having. I did notice that when streaming netflix through boxee the picture quality wasnt hear as good as it was when just watching it through a web broswer and/or media center. its like they kinda hacked something together to run on top of netflix. Its open source, so im you can modify it/skin it whatever, but i wanted something that just worked out of the box. also played with http://xbmc.org/, but both just seemed to have a clumsy interface. On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Stephen Kraus wro= te: ld ntu o ing ally .

=============================================================== From: Adam Jimerson ------------------------------------------------------ You can run Myth on one system, the trick is you have to set that system up as both a back end (handles things like recordings, video/audio storage, fetching channel listings) and a front end (basically the front end is nothing but a viewer). Because Myth is designed so it can have multiple systems, you can have multiple front ends running off one back end, the front end needs to know the IP address of the back end. So if you want it all to be one machine set up the back end then just point the front end to the machines local IP and your good to go. I haven't played with boxee, but I have played with XBMC and it is pretty good and easy to configure if you are looking for something that can play media from your HDD or from a network share. IIRC XBMC does not have support for Live TV though.

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ I have had several HTPC's and used several builds.... HOWEVER in the past 2 years my HTPC use consists of the following: 1. HULU, Netflix, and various websites (CBS, NBC etc...) 2. Playback of .avi files using VLC media player. 3. Bit torrenting .avi files. I have a Haupage card in the unit, however I have not recorded anything = in AT LEAST 2 years... why would I? In fact I have at least 2 other = Hauppage cards that i would sell cheap. OH I just remembered that i do use the tuner card to stream live TV to = my iPhone.... works well. SO why use a special distro.. seems like Windows, OS X, Any Linux build = will all offer these capabilities. I use windows simply because there = are a LOT of freeware HTPC programs that I can take advantage of like = AirMouse (great way to use your iphone as a mouse and keyboard for your = HTPC. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 Well, Mythbuntu is usually a popular choice for this. That, or Boxee. I briefly screwed around with Mythbuntu, but never saw the need for it. = I ended up getting an xbox360 instead of building a real HTPC, and it's = served my needs. box / HTPC / Media Center / Living Room PC? requires a "Front end" and a "Back end". Want to be able to surf the = web, play audio/video files - including Hulu, YouTube, NetFlix, etc. - = and has a easy to use interface for TV based navigation. Doesn't = necessarily need DVR capabilities, since I already have a DVR and I = don't have a TV capture card anyway. The hardware is a Dell Optiplex = Dual Core 1.6 Ghz 4 GB of RAM (although Windows only "sees" 2 GB) - = onboard graphics. what to do with my craptastic desktop and my TV.) February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Use Windows because it looks like Moonlight will not get the DRM support needed for Netflix VOD. Wish there was a better way.

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ =46rom what I remember you can run the backend and the frontend on the same b= ox with myth. It's like running mysql and apache on the same box, one is bac= kend storage one actually serves the app Sent from my iPhone t see a distro download on their website. I did see app links for Ubuntu - b= ut not for a full distro unto itself. e it before. I don't want to have to use 2 machines. I want something that= works on one machine. urning your computer into an mp3 player. That totally threw me. m to work all that well with my HDTV, at least not off the LiveCD, and I was= hoping to get more experienced input before I committed to the install. ry 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya ote: ote: aron

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ Oh I also forgot that my HTPC is also my BluRay player and Windows is I = believe the only way to meet HDCP compliance... or at least the easiest = way... I wish STEVE fucking JOBS would get with the BluRay thing... Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 Use Windows because it looks like Moonlight will not get the DRM support = needed for Netflix VOD. Wish there was a better way. I have had several HTPC's and used several builds.... HOWEVER in the past 2 years my HTPC use consists of the following: 1. HULU, Netflix, and various websites (CBS, NBC etc...) 2. Playback of .avi files using VLC media player. 3. Bit torrenting .avi files. I have a Haupage card in the unit, however I have not recorded anything = in AT LEAST 2 years... why would I? In fact I have at least 2 other = Hauppage cards that i would sell cheap. OH I just remembered that i do use the tuner card to stream live TV to = my iPhone.... works well. SO why use a special distro.. seems like Windows, OS X, Any Linux build = will all offer these capabilities. I use windows simply because there = are a LOT of freeware HTPC programs that I can take advantage of like = AirMouse (great way to use your iphone as a mouse and keyboard for your = HTPC. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 Well, Mythbuntu is usually a popular choice for this. That, or Boxee. I briefly screwed around with Mythbuntu, but never saw the need for it. = I ended up getting an xbox360 instead of building a real HTPC, and it's = served my needs. box / HTPC / Media Center / Living Room PC? requires a "Front end" and a "Back end". Want to be able to surf the = web, play audio/video files - including Hulu, YouTube, NetFlix, etc. - = and has a easy to use interface for TV based navigation. Doesn't = necessarily need DVR capabilities, since I already have a DVR and I = don't have a TV capture card anyway. The hardware is a Dell Optiplex = Dual Core 1.6 Ghz 4 GB of RAM (although Windows only "sees" 2 GB) - = onboard graphics. what to do with my craptastic desktop and my TV.) February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ I wish The Steve would get with a lot of things. Less onerous distribution terms over e-books for one...

=============================================================== From: Cynicalgeek ------------------------------------------------------ Which model Hauppauge cards do you have for sale and what is cheap? Thx.

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ How do you stream your TV live to your iphone? That would be awesome. n ill T at ved eb, a eed DVR rd t ary

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ I think they are PVR100's... and I would take $40 each for them. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 Which model Hauppauge cards do you have for sale and what is cheap? Thx. I have had several HTPC's and used several builds.... HOWEVER in the past 2 years my HTPC use consists of the following: 1. HULU, Netflix, and various websites (CBS, NBC etc...) 2. Playback of .avi files using VLC media player. 3. Bit torrenting .avi files. I have a Haupage card in the unit, however I have not recorded anything = in AT LEAST 2 years... why would I? In fact I have at least 2 other = Hauppage cards that i would sell cheap. OH I just remembered that i do use the tuner card to stream live TV to = my iPhone.... works well. SO why use a special distro.. seems like Windows, OS X, Any Linux build = will all offer these capabilities. I use windows simply because there = are a LOT of freeware HTPC programs that I can take advantage of like = AirMouse (great way to use your iphone as a mouse and keyboard for your = HTPC. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 Well, Mythbuntu is usually a popular choice for this. That, or Boxee. I briefly screwed around with Mythbuntu, but never saw the need for it. = I ended up getting an xbox360 instead of building a real HTPC, and it's = served my needs. box / HTPC / Media Center / Living Room PC? requires a "Front end" and a "Back end". Want to be able to surf the = web, play audio/video files - including Hulu, YouTube, NetFlix, etc. - = and has a easy to use interface for TV based navigation. Doesn't = necessarily need DVR capabilities, since I already have a DVR and I = don't have a TV capture card anyway. The hardware is a Dell Optiplex = Dual Core 1.6 Ghz 4 GB of RAM (although Windows only "sees" 2 GB) - = onboard graphics. what to do with my craptastic desktop and my TV.) February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ I use ORB on the PC and my iPhone... does a good job http://new.orb.com/en/orb-live/features.html Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 How do you stream your TV live to your iphone? That would be awesome. anything in Hauppage my build will LOT (great it. I served box / web, has a need DVR card what February

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ BluRay drives work on OS X - it is just that no Mac ships with them. You can add an external one to any Mac - or install an internal one on a Mac Pro. But, yes, as an end user - it seems like something that should be available. However, I understand that Apple's bread and butter isn't selling computers - and hasn't been for awhile. They are a media distribution company - and they sell/rent HD content. It's in their best interest to limit consumer choice. I don't agree with them - but I understand it. And as someone who doesn't plan on ever buying a BluRay, or another DVD or CD for that matter.... I don't care that the option isn't there. (Although, I am grateful for the optical drive, as I do still burn & rip CDs/DVDs and run LiveCDs.) That all said - from what I know - you are probably right about Windows being the easiest option for BluRay. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I'm glad Nook and Kindle got apps before the iBookstore opened - or they, like the Sony eReader app - would never have been allowed to compete. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ ditto phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cynicalgeek" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Monday, February 7, 2011 3:08:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Best HTPC distro Which model Hauppauge cards do you have for sale and what is cheap? Thx. I have had several HTPC's and used several builds.... HOWEVER in the past 2 years my HTPC use consists of the following: 1. HULU, Netflix, and various websites (CBS, NBC etc...) 2. Playback of .avi files using VLC media player. 3. Bit torrenting .avi files. I have a Haupage card in the unit, however I have not recorded anything in AT LEAST 2 years... why would I? In fact I have at least 2 other Hauppage cards that i would sell cheap. OH I just remembered that i do use the tuner card to stream live TV to my iPhone.... works well. SO why use a special distro.. seems like Windows, OS X, Any Linux build will all offer these capabilities. I use windows simply because there are a LOT of freeware HTPC programs that I can take advantage of like AirMouse (great way to use your iphone as a mouse and keyboard for your HTPC. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 Well, Mythbuntu is usually a popular choice for this. That, or Boxee. I briefly screwed around with Mythbuntu, but never saw the need for it. I ended up getting an xbox360 instead of building a real HTPC, and it's served my needs. What distro, in your opinion, would be the best to use as a set top box / HTPC / Media Center / Living Room PC? What I'm looking for is an all-in-one-machine solution - nothing that requires a "Front end" and a "Back end". Want to be able to surf the web, play audio/video files - including Hulu, YouTube, NetFlix, etc. - and has a easy to use interface for TV based navigation. Doesn't necessarily need DVR capabilities, since I already have a DVR and I don't have a TV capture card anyway. The hardware is a Dell Optiplex Dual Core 1.6 Ghz 4 GB of RAM (although Windows only "sees" 2 GB) - onboard graphics. Thoughts? (Not trying to start a flame war, nor trolling - trying to figure out what to do with my craptastic desktop and my TV.) - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ So if i use media center to watch TV already, do i need the hardware or can i just install the software and stream it to my iphone? in e y will OT eat I rved / web, s a ed DVR ard at uary

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ BluRay does NOT work on OS X without buying expensive software and using = work arounds. http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/blu-ray-support-coming-with-itunes-9/ It MAY be available in iTunes 9. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 BluRay drives work on OS X - it is just that no Mac ships with them. = You can add an external one to any Mac - or install an internal one on a = Mac Pro. But, yes, as an end user - it seems like something that should be = available. However, I understand that Apple's bread and butter isn't = selling computers - and hasn't been for awhile. They are a media = distribution company - and they sell/rent HD content. It's in their = best interest to limit consumer choice. I don't agree with them - but I = understand it. And as someone who doesn't plan on ever buying a BluRay, = or another DVD or CD for that matter.... I don't care that the option = isn't there. (Although, I am grateful for the optical drive, as I do = still burn & rip CDs/DVDs and run LiveCDs.) That all said - from what I know - you are probably right about Windows = being the easiest option for BluRay. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - = February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya Oh I also forgot that my HTPC is also my BluRay player and Windows is I = believe the only way to meet HDCP compliance... or at least the easiest = way... I wish STEVE fucking JOBS would get with the BluRay thing... Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 Use Windows because it looks like Moonlight will not get the DRM support = needed for Netflix VOD. Wish there was a better way. I have had several HTPC's and used several builds.... HOWEVER in the past 2 years my HTPC use consists of the following: 1. HULU, Netflix, and various websites (CBS, NBC etc...) 2. Playback of .avi files using VLC media player. 3. Bit torrenting .avi files. I have a Haupage card in the unit, however I have not recorded anything = in AT LEAST 2 years... why would I? In fact I have at least 2 other = Hauppage cards that i would sell cheap. OH I just remembered that i do use the tuner card to stream live TV to = my iPhone.... works well. SO why use a special distro.. seems like Windows, OS X, Any Linux build = will all offer these capabilities. I use windows simply because there = are a LOT of freeware HTPC programs that I can take advantage of like = AirMouse (great way to use your iphone as a mouse and keyboard for your = HTPC. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 Well, Mythbuntu is usually a popular choice for this. That, or Boxee. I briefly screwed around with Mythbuntu, but never saw the need for it. = I ended up getting an xbox360 instead of building a real HTPC, and it's = served my needs. box / HTPC / Media Center / Living Room PC? requires a "Front end" and a "Back end". Want to be able to surf the = web, play audio/video files - including Hulu, YouTube, NetFlix, etc. - = and has a easy to use interface for TV based navigation. Doesn't = necessarily need DVR capabilities, since I already have a DVR and I = don't have a TV capture card anyway. The hardware is a Dell Optiplex = Dual Core 1.6 Ghz 4 GB of RAM (although Windows only "sees" 2 GB) - = onboard graphics. what to do with my craptastic desktop and my TV.) February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ just the software.. the HTPC side is free... the iphone app is not. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 So if i use media center to watch TV already, do i need the hardware or can i just install the software and stream it to my iphone? anything in Hauppage to my build will a LOT (great it. I served box / web, has a need DVR capture card RAM what February

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ We're at iTunes 10 and no mention of Blu-Ray support.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Um... That info is almost 2 years old. iTunes 10 came out a long time ago. http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/blu-ray Those folks know Macs. from the page: *Native Support* - Burn Blu-ray data discs right from Mac OS Finder! Blank Blu-ray discs burn just like a blank CD or DVD. Insert a blank BD-R and it will mount on your desktop where you can drag and drop any files for burning. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ I used to be concerned about live tv support, and then I stopped caring once I realized I'm never home to watch live TV. So I just use FreeNAS's UPnP service (fuppes) to stream to my Xbox, and then do the evil eyepatchy torrent thing to grab my TV. Torrent client that watches an RSS feed and automagically grabs my shows and makes them available on my xbox = win

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ support means to me that it will PLAY BluRay discs... all of these = things allow you to RIP, and BURN. There is no authorized BluRay playback in OS X yet... and yes I screwed the pooch on the iTunes 9 thing. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 Um... That info is almost 2 years old. iTunes 10 came out a long time ago. http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/blu-ray Those folks know Macs. from the page: Native Support Burn Blu-ray data discs right from Mac OS Finder! Blank Blu-ray discs = burn just like a blank CD or DVD. Insert a blank BD-R and it will mount = on your desktop where you can drag and drop any files for burning. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - = February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya BluRay does NOT work on OS X without buying expensive software and using = work arounds. http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/blu-ray-support-coming-with-itunes-9/ It MAY be available in iTunes 9. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 BluRay drives work on OS X - it is just that no Mac ships with them. = You can add an external one to any Mac - or install an internal one on a = Mac Pro. But, yes, as an end user - it seems like something that should be = available. However, I understand that Apple's bread and butter isn't = selling computers - and hasn't been for awhile. They are a media = distribution company - and they sell/rent HD content. It's in their = best interest to limit consumer choice. I don't agree with them - but I = understand it. And as someone who doesn't plan on ever buying a BluRay, = or another DVD or CD for that matter.... I don't care that the option = isn't there. (Although, I am grateful for the optical drive, as I do = still burn & rip CDs/DVDs and run LiveCDs.) That all said - from what I know - you are probably right about Windows = being the easiest option for BluRay. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - = February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya Oh I also forgot that my HTPC is also my BluRay player and Windows is I = believe the only way to meet HDCP compliance... or at least the easiest = way... I wish STEVE fucking JOBS would get with the BluRay thing... Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 Use Windows because it looks like Moonlight will not get the DRM support = needed for Netflix VOD. Wish there was a better way. I have had several HTPC's and used several builds.... HOWEVER in the past 2 years my HTPC use consists of the following: 1. HULU, Netflix, and various websites (CBS, NBC etc...) 2. Playback of .avi files using VLC media player. 3. Bit torrenting .avi files. I have a Haupage card in the unit, however I have not recorded anything = in AT LEAST 2 years... why would I? In fact I have at least 2 other = Hauppage cards that i would sell cheap. OH I just remembered that i do use the tuner card to stream live TV to = my iPhone.... works well. SO why use a special distro.. seems like Windows, OS X, Any Linux build = will all offer these capabilities. I use windows simply because there = are a LOT of freeware HTPC programs that I can take advantage of like = AirMouse (great way to use your iphone as a mouse and keyboard for your = HTPC. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 Well, Mythbuntu is usually a popular choice for this. That, or Boxee. I briefly screwed around with Mythbuntu, but never saw the need for it. = I ended up getting an xbox360 instead of building a real HTPC, and it's = served my needs. box / HTPC / Media Center / Living Room PC? requires a "Front end" and a "Back end". Want to be able to surf the = web, play audio/video files - including Hulu, YouTube, NetFlix, etc. - = and has a easy to use interface for TV based navigation. Doesn't = necessarily need DVR capabilities, since I already have a DVR and I = don't have a TV capture card anyway. The hardware is a Dell Optiplex = Dual Core 1.6 Ghz 4 GB of RAM (although Windows only "sees" 2 GB) - = onboard graphics. what to do with my craptastic desktop and my TV.) February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Adam Jimerson ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kenneth Ratliff wrote: Yea I'm pretty much the same way, after I switched from cable to satellite I never got around to buying a tuner that would work with my box. After setting up the Mythtv plugins that I wanted, mostly Mythvideo Mythaudio and MythNetVision, I never really missed having the TV function, but it is nice to know that it is there. Don't get me wrong MythTv is great at recording TV and even viewing live TV. My next goal is to tackle the Mythgame plugin so I can play some ROMs on my Myth box. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1QeuMACgkQsK1mqepTLy+PwQCgtoZFMtHz4HSVexz3Gh85yYYB EWYAoM9Cf0C1cddP2jUMlbnZLQaHcbws =Wo7l -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ authorized? So VLC won't play BluRays? What do you mean authorized? - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ HDCP compliance... and NO VLC will not play BluRays HDCP is a software/hardware DRM system. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 authorized? So VLC won't play BluRays? What do you mean authorized? - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - = February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya support means to me that it will PLAY BluRay discs... all of these = things allow you to RIP, and BURN. There is no authorized BluRay playback in OS X yet... and yes I screwed the pooch on the iTunes 9 thing. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 Um... That info is almost 2 years old. iTunes 10 came out a long time ago. http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/blu-ray Those folks know Macs. from the page: Native Support Burn Blu-ray data discs right from Mac OS Finder! Blank Blu-ray discs = burn just like a blank CD or DVD. Insert a blank BD-R and it will mount = on your desktop where you can drag and drop any files for burning. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - = February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya BluRay does NOT work on OS X without buying expensive software and using = work arounds. http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/blu-ray-support-coming-with-itunes-9/ It MAY be available in iTunes 9. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 BluRay drives work on OS X - it is just that no Mac ships with them. = You can add an external one to any Mac - or install an internal one on a = Mac Pro. But, yes, as an end user - it seems like something that should be = available. However, I understand that Apple's bread and butter isn't = selling computers - and hasn't been for awhile. They are a media = distribution company - and they sell/rent HD content. It's in their = best interest to limit consumer choice. I don't agree with them - but I = understand it. And as someone who doesn't plan on ever buying a BluRay, = or another DVD or CD for that matter.... I don't care that the option = isn't there. (Although, I am grateful for the optical drive, as I do = still burn & rip CDs/DVDs and run LiveCDs.) That all said - from what I know - you are probably right about Windows = being the easiest option for BluRay. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - = February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya Oh I also forgot that my HTPC is also my BluRay player and Windows is I = believe the only way to meet HDCP compliance... or at least the easiest = way... I wish STEVE fucking JOBS would get with the BluRay thing... Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 Use Windows because it looks like Moonlight will not get the DRM support = needed for Netflix VOD. Wish there was a better way. I have had several HTPC's and used several builds.... HOWEVER in the past 2 years my HTPC use consists of the following: 1. HULU, Netflix, and various websites (CBS, NBC etc...) 2. Playback of .avi files using VLC media player. 3. Bit torrenting .avi files. I have a Haupage card in the unit, however I have not recorded anything = in AT LEAST 2 years... why would I? In fact I have at least 2 other = Hauppage cards that i would sell cheap. OH I just remembered that i do use the tuner card to stream live TV to = my iPhone.... works well. SO why use a special distro.. seems like Windows, OS X, Any Linux build = will all offer these capabilities. I use windows simply because there = are a LOT of freeware HTPC programs that I can take advantage of like = AirMouse (great way to use your iphone as a mouse and keyboard for your = HTPC. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 Well, Mythbuntu is usually a popular choice for this. That, or Boxee. I briefly screwed around with Mythbuntu, but never saw the need for it. = I ended up getting an xbox360 instead of building a real HTPC, and it's = served my needs. box / HTPC / Media Center / Living Room PC? requires a "Front end" and a "Back end". Want to be able to surf the = web, play audio/video files - including Hulu, YouTube, NetFlix, etc. - = and has a easy to use interface for TV based navigation. Doesn't = necessarily need DVR capabilities, since I already have a DVR and I = don't have a TV capture card anyway. The hardware is a Dell Optiplex = Dual Core 1.6 Ghz 4 GB of RAM (although Windows only "sees" 2 GB) - = onboard graphics. what to do with my craptastic desktop and my TV.) February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ suckage Ok then - I agree, I wish STEVE fraking JOBS would get with the BluRay thing... - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ As long as blu-ray hangs on he might....supposedly blu-ray may be usurped. Just a rumor though suckage Ok then - I agree, I wish STEVE fraking JOBS would get with the BluRay thing... - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003...