=============================================================== From: Stephen Rees ------------------------------------------------------ So...what's the device? - Stephen Sent from my iPhone orted by "Windows Only"... Upon signing my life away, downloading and extrac= ting: ux")..
=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:53:42 -0500 (EST) Mike Harrison wrote: Awesome! On another mailing list, there was a discussion about keeping an old XP box around to run the embedded development tools because Vista and Windows 7 broke the drivers and the vendors never bothered to catch up. I didn't want to stick my neck out far enough to test my theory that the open source versions worked just fine on recent versions of Linux. Dan
=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ I "signed my life away"...
=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ you applied for a job at my company???? lol
=============================================================== From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" ------------------------------------------------------ That's my line ! ;) --=20 " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we=E2=80=99re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aar= on Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Falls Church, Virginia USA
=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ XP up. the I've seen other instances of things like that. The worst I've ever seen is a company that had to keep a Windows 2000 = sp2 box running because it ran an application critical to the company, = upgrading to sp3 (or anything beyond) broke the application horribly, = and the developer was no longer available. For whatever reason, the = company was unwilling to migrate to something new.=20 The amount of firewall voodoo we had to keep that box from getting owned = was absolutely sick. Was not the least bit sorry when they decided to = build out their own data center and remove their stuff from our = facility.=
=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ I had to rebuild a DOS 6.2 machine circa 2005 because it ran a critical app.
=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ I have a dos box that still runs a critical app I had to rebuild a DOS 6.2 machine circa 2005 because it ran a critical app.
=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ hello Dosbox, Virtualbox , etc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Haywood" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 8:54:11 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Linux Suprise... I had to rebuild a DOS 6.2 machine circa 2005 because it ran a critical app. I've seen other instances of things like that. The worst I've ever seen is a company that had to keep a Windows 2000 sp2 box running because it ran an application critical to the company, upgrading to sp3 (or anything beyond) broke the application horribly, and the developer was no longer available. For whatever reason, the company was unwilling to migrate to something new. The amount of firewall voodoo we had to keep that box from getting owned was absolutely sick. Was not the least bit sorry when they decided to build out their own data center and remove their stuff from our facility.
=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ Stephen what could you possibly be running in dos that you could not migrate? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Kraus" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 8:58:11 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Linux Suprise... I have a dos box that still runs a critical app I had to rebuild a DOS 6.2 machine circa 2005 because it ran a critical app.
=============================================================== From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" ------------------------------------------------------ I know of a lot of CNC/robotic machine devices that are only controllable through a proprietary app that's written for DOS or early versions of Windows, and any upgrades break the app (developers a lot of times for these types of applications either aren't available anymore or want obnoxious amounts of money for a new version). --=20 " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we=E2=80=99re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aar= on Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Sterling, Virginia USA
=============================================================== From: "Lucius L. Hilley III" ------------------------------------------------------ Somethings just don't virtualize very well. Try printing to that LPT1 port and getting it to come out your printer. Thankfully, the last 2 DOS systems I was supporting closed up shop. 1 retired, the other couldn't change with the times. I couldn't get a Qemu to pass the printing through. I didn't know of Dosbox or Virtualbox at the time. Virtualbox might not have been in existence yet. And sometimes it is much faster to just support the old crap than to spend the time trying to get a virtual system fully functional. In other words: When rubber meets the road. Unkmar - Lucius L. Hilley III
=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Alex won that one. Its a CNC machine Somethings just don't virtualize very well. Try printing to that LPT1 port and getting it to come out your printer. Thankfully, the last 2 DOS systems I was supporting closed up shop. 1 retired, the other couldn't change with the times. I couldn't get a Qemu to pass the printing through. I didn't know of Dosbox or Virtualbox at the time. Virtualbox might not have been in existence yet. And sometimes it is much faster to just support the old crap than to spend the time trying to get a virtual system fully functional. In other words: When rubber meets the road. Unkmar - Lucius L. Hilley III
=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ I left Lodge because over something like that. 1st shift cnc op would mung up the program. But I couldn't adjust it because they wouldn't train me in the programming. But then turn around and bitch because because the machine was shut down. I love efficiency of business. OH the cnc companies DO NOT want give you api's. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Kraus" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:50:16 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Linux Suprise... Alex won that one. Its a CNC machine Somethings just don't virtualize very well. Try printing to that LPT1 port and getting it to come out your printer. Thankfully, the last 2 DOS systems I was supporting closed up shop. 1 retired, the other couldn't change with the times. I couldn't get a Qemu to pass the printing through. I didn't know of Dosbox or Virtualbox at the time. Virtualbox might not have been in existence yet. And sometimes it is much faster to just support the old crap than to spend the time trying to get a virtual system fully functional. In other words: When rubber meets the road. Unkmar - Lucius L. Hilley III
=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ DosEMU on Linux is AMAZING! And yes, there is a Paradox for Dos Application still running that way at a couple of hospitals in this region.. Kewl part is, multiple people can SSH to the Linux box and run the application, it thinks it is on a network and runs multi-user well. And yea, it'll hopefully be replaced some day, I keep telling them they need to. Good news: It is NOT patent care related. :)
=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ Quoting "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" : Yeah.. tufting machines are that way as well. Most of ours ONLY run in DOS. There is one that runs off Win95, another couple that run off Win2k. The Win2K ones *might* work if you upgrade to XP. I have my doubts about trying to run them off Vista or Win7 at this point. Heck, I seriously doubt the PC that runs the controller software would work with Vista or Win7. I would be interested to see if they would run in DOSEMU on Linux, that way I could more easily back up the DOS machines.
=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ That is impressive. Also, kind of sad!