How many of you use PoE in the house?

From: Rod-Lists 
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That ang Gigabit throw a wrench in running phone and ether over the same cable.

=============================================================== From: James Nylen ------------------------------------------------------ I assume you are referring to this hack: http://www.instructables.com/id/Hack-your-House-Run-both-ethernet-and-phone-over-/ Does anybody even care about RJ-11 phone jacks anymore?

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 First of all, don't do stupid shit like that. While you *can* run 10/100 on 2 pairs, the spec calls for 4 pairs. While you *can* run phone on 1 pair and Ethernet on 2 pairs in the same cable, you deserve every dropped packet you lose. What you call RJ11 (more appropriately called 6P2C modular connectors) are physically compatible with RJ45 Jacks. (Plugs are 8P8C modular connectors). There is a reason that both TIA/EIA-568A and TIA/EIA-568B place the blue and blue-white wires where they do. You will notice that if a 2 wire connector (like a 6P2C) is plugged in, the blue and blue-white wires will be the active pair. If you wire your stuff correctly, your jacks go to a patch panel, and if you need to bring phone to a particular jack, your cross-connect at the patch panel to your phone system. Or you give up on shitty ancient TDM technology and run SIP phones and plug those into your Ethernet jacks and be done with it. Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJToz2MAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcda5EH/2jv+IKQfnxH7yP8JZ1i4D8C RMS+fi4AJEZBG77iVmbfQUP6wYXyxni0Mm0v/9H/2qOzx1aIC9IJwycfPcaY39oF Ztqp+kPWn2HjRQZoX+jSSAJbYrWGIEQ4eH11EWdJVt+2OmgLq6n/h5kB19n9ONOr MV1n50nsxGzXqgEnfCz8Pf4FZL7WITGlpTY21yyppDVZ9AKKthvFR+nZ8G2vaISd a1Zm2Qy/6PF7QAxrSiT7AgOKhmQWYD06cqHTQptnEyZZjvDg5E9XX8ppWcCNXZ6N BFSAqKKCksO1gpvhwT99tC0uRmZ9o69W8fD/LffjBy+lJz6jQ/2DPmbIC7+/G1o= =7miI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: James Nylen ------------------------------------------------------ I was being nice :) Plain old phone service seems like a good choice for a small business with few technical resources. One would hope they would do the wiring correctly though. At a former job, we had someone plug a fax machine into an ethernet jack which took down the entire network and locked up a bunch of hardware. I found it pretty humorous.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ To be fair Dave most RJ(Registered Jack)11's sold are actually RJ14's or 6 position 4 contact. RJ11, RJ14, and RJ25 are all same dimensions and positions but differ on number of contacts. Apparently we are wrong in calling ethernet plugs RJ45 as what we use in networking are generic 8p8c connectors and not the keyed ones the RJ45 standard requires. ----- Dave Brockman wrote:

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ Isn't this a reason you should use different connectors so that does't happen? ----- James Nylen wrote:

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Unless you only have one phone line, you most likely aren't using "plain old phone service", you are using an analog key station. You really don't understand how bad of a business decision that is until it breaks and you try to find someone to work on it, and/or try to find parts for it. That dinosaur needs to die. Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTpIvSAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdFAUIAIxBpueBPlbCUAHc0rr/LTNT LTS5pNx7Ji7WCmKuCN4J6CnwL5d8/LZbv2RaDF9d6JrqXvnlG3TJF08/Xh/8r7HC 7DT3OjzCKVSOOk2CgXMUU0OqoB48rqbHGUTfa4P5211F2qFfjAAZppd605YYhC/B 8e80ZQQenLHdBzTHgghr3uDLlDGjFpK+uTnF9TU2f0frrr59QIK08TUpd8B2NRAv 3B9c2rJDFc+UFHPBI9XysEJPEm9MPQCoBUfdzYluG2aDNvhkhCvqknNkofafTlbz 8rc99yZCTLxbanWLHYj0IaHbUzDKp9wsslWVP+FuVI8j7MVy7TzXTCURxOdx1kU= =c/60 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 To be technically correct, RJ is the female jack and the wiring behind it. The male end you plug in is not RJ. It is a xPxC modular connector. I unpacked four fax machines in the past two days. They all came with 6P2C cables. Either way, I don't install anything but RJ45. All the xPxC connectors plug into them just fine. Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTpIy8AAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdoNYH/1iRFQjBMy0qLX2W71A19sIQ FtRnGT2A1fiXESdMxBvtGoyWgAAiIcJK3hkmh0tT9rGZSYqZEZ2lHztg6gZKu+sW 5+p8bvJn10RM8yG6wJU0UdGscyJkblWqJCV/ncaWcFldPlTg8mmGqbEiFc3IrBBu /4fm9dhYUNTypPk8mJInIuANkr6gjy3161RQgZ8RCfFwwcer3M1dQsVls5QkZrtl MNyEN78BLrdk7fPITezUvesobP99LZM8r1DeKiQyegj1r6zgcqykdyyvdkbpTRjd x8f/EStj33O8CsMEeJiXYqhYfxah3uzu9jKmg9h1RpM2Ol3zTR4xWgrXNIsWLu8= =Wf6b -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 No, it's the reason you should have switches smart enough to disable ports and you don't enable ports that aren't in use. Or you use a different color scheme. Or you just don't let stupid people near the equipment. Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTpI0QAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdQuUH/2NK/iJtSYhheMoomVFQfZjy 6So13rvopjQ5c1vTkoRAijQ9tNcOFqkTl6OBgIKm1pr9EQ50f2jIxrim7edrUPwT lYAQKw7UA3J0/psU20+HB2pKMtNrk0KMBBXvZL4+bB/OEGmzRY3NE108bwSPKv5W 7YBTUuNfZcQ5+gW+DFlQSygscRIsYxSdCXCcReR9hX9Ay4c1opHgHghPugGCoEHY BUSxtsy2s6pDJu3xrKpVXSybhvfxRXVlWs7oa/XMxWWhPwItG8yH0/gfHTRlfSAN WYDeITPWEHXIR8XrzPSPtQIOU72T1+WXhbdKwctph/fnJLtmsAvU/nDQhcuYmZU= =PAXu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----