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From: Dave Brockman 
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Pretend you are designing your dream home (or perhaps are remodeling
and have all the walls torn down and have to run new electrical
service anyway), what would you put in?

Audio/Video/Network/Automation/Alarm/Security/Camera/Paging

Rack full of Linux servers/VMs goes without saying, so we're on-topic.
:)  I've already decided on multiple CAT-6A pulls through-out the
house.  I have been impressed enough with Unifi that I will be using
their wireless, controlled by a Debian VM.  I know some of you have
some awesome ideas.  Feel free to unicast if you don't want to share
on the public forum, but I would enjoy hearing those ideas.

Regards,

dtb
- -- 
"Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood
unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be
fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking
equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925
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=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Signed PGP part I=92d do several Cat5/6 runs for now, but there would be = boxes/faceplates, wiring troughs and fat plastic conduits everywhere. 3 = years from now you=92ll want some kind of fiber that does not exist yet, = with connectors that hopefully work better than what we have now.=20 I=92ve only seen a few really good ones, but high quality hidden = speakers everywhere would be on my list. And I=92d considering running low voltage DC wiring for LED lighting=85=20=

=============================================================== From: Andrew Rodgers ------------------------------------------------------ While centralized 12/24v supply to each room would be cool, I don't think you want to try to do 12 volt distribution throughout your house unless it's really small. Line losses at 12v DC are substantial for any useful amount of current over any useful distance. =E1=90=A7 Andrew Rodgers GIGTANK 2014 Technologist-in-Residence 256-508-7610 plates, =E2=80=99ll eakers g=E2=80=A6

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ Dave, I am in the same boat. Just tore down a house yesterday for the lot. Rebuild starts in ~2 weeks and will prolly take 9-12 mos. I am certainly pulling thousands of feet of CAT5/6. I have found a cool set of intercoms that work on Cat5 and are tiny: http://www.amazon.com/Legrand-IC1004WH-Intercom-Indoor-White/dp/B0015MWFSC/ref=sr

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ Oh and the place for ideas: http://www.smarthome.com/

=============================================================== From: William Roush ------------------------------------------------------ Can I pretend about technologies that could exist but I haven't seen on the market yet? And money is no object? Rack is easy: a few hypervisors and a storage array running ZFS. I'd like a fully licensed ESXi cluster to play and learn with. No real decision on network core, I guess Cisco? Meh. Network: vLANs for lab, public servers, coding and business, home stuff (file server + media server), multiple wireless vLANs, multiple CAT-6 drops in every room. Audio: rooms able to stream from a media server I have set up on our home vLAN. Video: Probably something like airVision from Ubiquiti, but they don't support IR cameras for outside... just simple security for the most part. Home automation: * Anything that collects numbers, I want to be able to run reports against. To a central unit, preferably the entire system (from firmware of the peripherals to the data collector/aggregator/controller) should be open source. NO "PUBLIC CLOUD" stuff. * Reports for breaker box, total power draw, breaker status and draw on per-breaker level. o Per-socket draw would be wonderful. * Power draw, status, temperature, control for: o Water heater o HVAC (electronically open/close vents? yes plz) o Pretty much every appliance (fridge, dish washer, oven) o Lights o Did I forget anything? seriously I want everything hooked up. * Integration with home theater systems. * Smoke/CO2 detectors * Everything must play with CAT6 * Wireless is dumb * Ethernet over power is dumb One of these: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/soaprouter/soap-first-smart-router-w-touch-display-powered-by (Just kidding, heh). I think that's pretty much it. William Roush william.roush@roushtech.net 423-463-0592 http://www.roushtech.net/blog/

=============================================================== From: Andrew Rodgers ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.theenergydetective.com/ is pretty cool, and they have options to do per-circuit monitoring. Probably a bit pricey for home stuff, but their commercial/industrial is very cheap for the feature set. =E1=90=A7 Andrew Rodgers GIGTANK 2014 Technologist-in-Residence 256-508-7610 ps e of open -touch-display-powered-by

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The wiring closet is central to the house, with 4" conduit up and down, and as fat-as-I-can-get-in-the-walls conduit going to the boxes. Also dropping cables in odd places that may warrant a camera or additional access point. I want to pull fiber now, but the lack of connectivity on access devices, and still no real sign of that changing, I believe you have the right idea. I am pulling 6A in the hopes that 10GbT will eventually make headway. The speaker/audio side of thing is what I'm kicking around with tonight. Anyone have any thoughts on multizone audio controllers or distribution switches? Something that could expand to 18-20 zones perhaps? 12 at the absolute minimum, I guess the laundry room could be silent... :) Regards, dtb - -- = "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTokrgAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdZdQH/iijn0oB79/GIf5kyBKl2kY6 Txob6pbcNsEAvp+hcs82ntfpM/pf0wGJDVE3oiBkWz1SglPl3tYCSrHpJ7RsLWIi BdJkZLjZSyjcxR5l4DX5YAA1wE+Mz/tIpPHv5b11bqBvikJCixqbVifsNirlNoVG ot0GpjHJSpVAVMIQdIwqVuUXq7UBntpkZ+ZjYd86Rf8HIU0N8tz9/aHZ/cQu2gCz wAYxEoSj4YddL2nFwf5IGRNjj7LXfpzT+Q2k8kXwWssGXzyUmw6Ja8j9LwllI+c+ PCJpqHtb6nGveh2T6/cMPEcG9tJHpLusby6bNhjg04YdT9cSL3QkMvXKFNnE748=3D =3Dt21w -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Andrew Rodgers ------------------------------------------------------ So is the right answer multizone analog audio, or POE receivers driving the smaller rooms separately, similar to SONOS? I honestly think SONOS is probably the best way to do multiroom audio if you have the money for it. =E1=90=A7 Andrew Rodgers GIGTANK 2014 Technologist-in-Residence 256-508-7610 t

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Give me a reactor in my back yard, and I'll go fully automated in no time. t

=============================================================== From: William Roush ------------------------------------------------------ $300 doesn't seem /too/ bad considering... However needing additional $200 spyders kind of sucks. William Roush william.roush@roushtech.net 423-463-0592 http://www.roushtech.net/blog/

=============================================================== From: Andrew Rodgers ------------------------------------------------------ Their best feature is that they implement a RESTful interface, and it, and their binary protocol are fully documented. =E1=90=A7 Andrew Rodgers GIGTANK 2014 Technologist-in-Residence 256-508-7610 e n ops e . re of e open w-touch-display-powered-by

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 21:08:19 -0400 Dave Brockman wrote: I regret not running reed switches the last time I had the wall by the front door open. Signalling and power to the top of all of the windows (for automated blinds/shades). Dan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTolQKAAoJEAvds6IeGLPDOuMIAIuthml0wSPFqSjPWyvN5qi4 dbEFnH+kSEzMjsSlB0dKYaoh14NouSiGwV/ZW17H6vEEkz/i88ZF/RXwVic4DAG+ M4lmKZtXXSYbDGgyh/lrUsxpQEaO1mWDJccG6Gb3IGbI8YFKuB8xsOOuvt3VQXJE 6XMYWkN5EyjaiXNwm7XJ77aNRJ4iWphvFvjQ3hwDA3TOuVml2upbiGaD992ALPFR sWAfRB5LMjKIwGP3cSY4ygKaOTOU9V4sabKiexlAve6MdU/5gwru6Ps13xX04Jum dALKDSz8nDYDEDQXUaEc4J+MtTNyXv32sBtFI7F6aML9Kur4WkNdOD/uV4YgXT8= =VPJC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Personally, I treat wireless networks as hostile. You must VPN on the main wireless network to access anything other than the Internet. The guest wireless cannot speak to anything on the public side that might provide such a gateway to dtbnet. And I suspect audio will be like everything else I have attempted to run on wireless, I will want a cable. Am I the only person left on the planet that does NOT want my stuff on wireless? Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTolTAAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdJW0IAK+6CY/+ZKHE9RmUlFCDexHo d0A1tFvfkSU+FB/7umDdEM+nYk6ARUyvq57NitSdGoYmgXX2YJCQAtp8fUVpYYgs Au4q0hKBnUJn3WHeNl1hlRIXYZNTBd8i9yiD5AAFTu5iojNeJ0HEyJfNBexGV6ZX GDwuhxtIR2tBMeV3ukPRkhaMYq2/pZm6PnZycfLmRrvH7eGbyWUJC7yTbgAuB9fV zebRmIpbxJt2kbzu8NWFM84lfRMQXBeDfytJXzj8bSq27HswDVMKthPfc6DVcZYD 6RVAMobQIqWkowamibpeUkLFWdBxcpaDMW4LTYipe2cjwhCnntzLlvD78x6glSM= =eq39 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Andrew Rodgers ------------------------------------------------------ I'm not for SONOS for their wireless platform, last time I checked all their devices had ethernet ports. I just like the idea of being able to push audio as data, and not having to do a bunch of analog switching to get it to the rooms you want. Every room being able to have it's own stream is cool as well. =E1=90=A7 Andrew Rodgers GIGTANK 2014 Technologist-in-Residence 256-508-7610

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ Naw, Lots of stuff is better with cables, Audio and video being hight on the = list. Purist vs convenience factor. Phil Sieg President SeniorTech LLC / snapf=C5=8Dn=C2=AE www.snapfon.com phil.sieg@seniortechllc.com Phone: 423.535.9968 Fax: 423.265.9820 Mobile: 423.331.0725 "The computer is the most remarkable tool that we've ever come up with. = It's the equivalent of a bicycle for our minds." Steve Jobs, 1955-2011

=============================================================== From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" ------------------------------------------------------ We think alike. :)=E2=80=8B " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we=E2=80=99re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" - Alex Smith - Huntsville, Alabama metropolitan area USA =E2=80=8B

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ Funny. I was talking to somebody who was remodeling a historic house and the horror of chinese sheetrock came up. Believe it or not plaster is making a comeback especially with veneer plaster. Also consider shielding whatever you wiring you use. EMF interference can be a pain it it is surprising where it turns up. And it is a bigger issue with todays consumer electronics that have their own radio wireless systems. ----- Dave Brockman wrote:

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ Also other than it's pricey, any opinion on optical audio? yea or don't bother? ----- Rod-Lists wrote:

=============================================================== From: Jason Brown ------------------------------------------------------ Phil, single SSID and roaming between them is typically pretty easy and trouble free. I'm happy to discuss your setup sometime. Most issues tend to be client side with bad / flaky drivers that do not switch to the more powerful network, or switch too soon. Sometimes this is adjustable. --Jason

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ Thanks Jason! Any thoughts on the "smoke alarm" style routers extenders? Brand = preference? Phil Sieg President SeniorTech LLC / snapf=C5=8Dn=C2=AE www.snapfon.com phil.sieg@seniortechllc.com Phone: 423.535.9968 Fax: 423.265.9820 Mobile: 423.331.0725 "The computer is the most remarkable tool that we've ever come up with. = It's the equivalent of a bicycle for our minds." Steve Jobs, 1955-2011 and trouble free. I'm happy to discuss your setup sometime. not switch to the more powerful network, or switch too soon. Sometimes = this is adjustable. wrote: and the horror of chinese sheetrock came up. veneer plaster. interference can be a pain it it is surprising where it turns up. their own radio wireless systems. remodeling on-topic. using have share be networking

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 For individually managed units, I like Engenius. For managed, Unifi from Ubiquiti. Do run v3 on a Linux box. Do not run v2 or on Windows. Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTqx1EAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdDScIAIKaUonhvbv+KJCsT5v0g/Wl R0QSetzJ7jos0eib6M6D/iLT6O/s+5zRbI4tUvI/M/mgukjCNlrNDu6EukQvKbrh Uu0Re+cOcvBkmJwe+z+K8dEkhQYXDvr+XFSZxJmGlEDz5HP/rZXUSCGCgBdwpFJB MoZPVDtTqPSZ2JMkKFfZfUU3RIiRbPhlJLy0ZP7OxB+iWs/nFzutRV9Tr6JF34jo l99bHRN/djj0IQWA7xZ2/5OVKzqE8yeuTpCF+PAMJdgThLJXpHm9iay60SwTEoWb DHF9WcwJgsKyu+AmgL4jI0SclYqxuQHHmqtQzxNgrD/uFNK2GLPmxrcw2w+8FBQ= =ldp6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Jason Brown ------------------------------------------------------ I hear great things about Ubiquiti . I have not gotten a chance to try them out myself yet though. --Jason is c.

=============================================================== From: James Nylen ------------------------------------------------------ I'm using a UniFi AP for home wireless now. Wireless connection drops occasionally on my Android device but it always comes right back, and other than that no problems. It works a lot better than any consumer router I've had. is r g g e e g

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 What firmware is on the device, and what version of controller software are you using? Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTrCfyAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdwh0H/3mThoEbPtd6mxOPXy9LAU11 487ehjMDWkDXTcVbSlMYo8mLvSis+eiKGY1HNaDmOet7nb8JbF3ws3iCtq46OzWi REdSWRzwRU46Ke1NBjW+veafpgqONbbovAeWyUWkcJXCciHt2WTwqz/5HwxhSl2s kkWWOxh9IDAcU+LDIxyP8my0GNpkA3yQ8d8fmLoJBQJEfUuQmYbbkI+diWBWb2uH muRU50V5QOTdd7bjJ98GAmKQxdujcbmPtBK/BW+DKHjqEiVkI0Vhw2KOsDCClInE Knt9FXpMm2paDd2YY7zTlzX+3J0P+GEUykQK0P1YHY+mygz1KBAhQ4fUWPP/uv4= =EX4k -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: James Nylen ------------------------------------------------------ Android device: Galaxy Nexus running AOKP community ROM (June 2013 build, Android 4.2.2) Running UniFi server 2.4.6 on Debian-based x86