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This is why I love Linux From Scratch... :(

From: kitepilot@kitepilot.com
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I need to install Postfix and courier-smtp in Debian. 

No... 

If I install Postfix, Debian removes courier-smtp.
If I install courier-smtp, Debian removes Postfix.
#$%@&!!!!! 

Does anybody know how to explain the F$#%ING package manager that I want to 
to install both...   :(
ET

=============================================================== From: kitepilot@kitepilot.com ------------------------------------------------------ Not in a million years, if I had to do that I just go straight LFS... I have broken too many things wandering away from the pkg-manager beaten path... ;-) ET Ed King writes:

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ use the source, luke=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Compile either of them from source ?

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ How can use, or why would you need 2 smtp servers on the same box? Im just curious.

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ How can "you" use or why would you need 2 smtp servers on the same box, is what that should have said. ;-)

=============================================================== From: kitepilot@kitepilot.com ------------------------------------------------------ OK, this is why (I believe) that I need 2 smtp servers: I need to receive email on port 25 like everybody else does, that's one. The other one (Postfix or otherwise) needs to be TLS(ed) in port 587 to allow encrypted connections from email users. Users 'live' in a MySQL DB and need to authenticate to send email. On the other hand, after reviewing the cookbook that I used to set up the whole thing, it seems that Postfix gets configured to do exactly that. Which may mean that I don't really need courier-smtp. *SIGH* Ignorance hurts... :( ET Nick Smith writes:

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I think your on the right path now, Postfix can do all of that for you.

=============================================================== From: Unkmar ------------------------------------------------------ Ah, the beauties of linux. It can be see as having multiple IPs/interfaces. Seen sort of as several machines and theoretically use Postfix for traffic from one interface and smtp-courier for the other. At least, that is my guess on the situation. Don't ask me how. I haven't setup a single email server yet. 3+ years of linux and I still haven't bit that bullet.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 No, you really *don't* want to install two SMTPd daemons, do you? Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSr30OAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdZNgIAJDYB+RkZPf9pP04WDwzmJ6k TMvVp2NWrlMpdQimmzPngcRWe2cdTs3GJ5Da4V78b6Jl+vdqUn10fT43RvDMB4E8 88Unp5codC+ENHLbGoG8TNjwy5seMRCRIfk8ekek0IW7E/V3l6CfUHnrVwHt27eC rBWRpsXU3CeMm5vShj4efPMhHXlCcOkrzUZPRtEdAbvSv7GtC6Y2OBKR3npFaOQG ySwXpMlquHoErpHKfD4PELcswnrUf34wSMWxUVsxGRttKYHVn7SXqNAO3yND5eDn jRWqNdiHk0wAfxG8XuEKB1yUO4xS5lCHBhOeJmqkHmSaE/5oR3agspjvH21GcKo= =rWLd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Use the original .DEB config file to generate your own Deb from source, and pin it. Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSr31NAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdBHwH/0OJIi/J9m+iUkgznivrPoFL Q2L/hVq4dh06jAWnurONJjpuaLVl0rMP3MrF59zTOi2K8nl0qqU2AGHeTXhfYD8z JOPiTApygw/mIYEAaYOrobBOj3zBPthjKIjK3vc6EVOBYSkAy+AZP9D23U5xS9XS eW9dYyfZFZI/l+31eojux8tNokNA+A2ipg6tYWnP9XCFpvIUChgcIsaBK51a8UZF y9OcUdUk3Okjle7JcZ6ixPnrArW5UsLeL6oCG95hwdnnqhiRlBHr0D9dUfO65X52 Cb+XhtuHjPV9IV3m7kWUM7r7E4YW3XxfxTXXO7fWxPC3kSYcVmurxv5oWxOfZIM= =5aJ2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 /etc/postfix/master.cf will be of great enlightenment to you.... Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSr328AAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdjbYIAJH3JnjqcoqKAacsQarXZjaO Xfd3orxAndjo9h9EzHKNwE8/VdivfRmGKlbuxX+0CxNQxGYUFtH1vpDfECN0iAvI agY+yJvLA914z6Qkt9KAaB5dAJ7DmPqcg0Qy6FRt0z//K8vitQp3Bw63GYUoT5Rr pJbh3imSYbL4KoELjxb4naVoBlvRjA5I9taRDKKA1omFixrDc/p89P9ulNLsuLu2 GV4mYJTZfKHidsnaEKOvBTuaba32UjHj6ZfDOcUig7qXNsenhPkiVKCSIqzzzNna 1l7c0DAtA7j52XiFOfAF2kfHY5wDJktCYKVEE9F3QVJqqdjIV1Ib0xF0mkCNfYQ= =rZsy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: kitepilot@kitepilot.com ------------------------------------------------------ I have been actually running two SMTPd daemons for years. Not different than running 2 SSH daemons. Or 2 http servers... They are bonded to different ports. Whats the problem with that? Dave Brockman writes:

=============================================================== From: David White ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah, just use Postfix, and be done with it. Postfix is very, very powerful, when configured properly. p.s... what Dave said.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I sometimes run one daemon that listens on multiple ports (your postfix example, listens on both SMTP and SMTP-Submission, and my apache server listens on 80 and 443). Running daemon X on port AA and daemon Y on port BB when either X or Y can listen simultaneously on ports AA and BB sounds like twice the work, twice the security footprint for .... what exactly? I didn't pick up on the benefit. Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSr583AAoJEMP+wtEOVbcd8h4IAIg7KvcUzliqvoWaqjBB5G1E WgwElommo0ZN9C/oNhDG5NO1RITMw9ikPj6iAQ/EavUhdZ9mLgOt/eHKfb9cDLhF /t7y3FnCrMkMYMuQWd/6OlxfYqQ8nToKQuvwdWWGLHHz3TESTD12CBYjxcdZk5kM 1cr66xVHM3WKe25Ak4BLG056kmnwdK4usnLe2g5v+1vG6k+xZ/OPjuOypW157BgL t9XPUQFeZaoz1IGXDY10veJPAFYQGGZmfYdoaEznXR9+m/FZgPcnhAVNGAqlEbIw hCKcG09U1Sk9JPxf/LUXqDcviM1oiLCBkF5UiIHM2VYQ20G8qjlIuXhlQFRTOak= =NjJ/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ The full Courier package will do the same thing. and give you consistent management for SMTP, POP, IMAP, etc.. as it can provide it all. It beats managing multiple programs and styles of configurations. I run Postfix on basic servers that do SMTP only, and Courier on systems that do SMTP, IMAP and POP... Courier is a bit of a learning curve, but it's been worth it for me. I even wrote a server control sysem that manages DNS and email accounts via a web interface using MySQL just to make it easier and keep everything tied together.