VMware ESXi 5.1 - Question about Linux

From: Mike Harrison 
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I was just given a brand new Dell 620 that boots into VMware ESXi 5.1
As I go to the web interface, I see it needs a .exe file for Winders
so that I can manage this beast...

Should I bite the bullet and install a Winders image on my laptop 
(virtual) so I can run this thing, or are there better options.

As this box will only ever run Linux, I'm tempted to boot it from a Redhat 
Linux CD and run bare metal, but the client probably ordered it this way 
for a reason... but I haven't met a clueful person at the clients (yet).

Any other options for a "vSphere client" to manage this beast?

and if I were to install Winders, what version works the best for this? 
XP, 7?







=============================================================== From: Dominic Sundar ------------------------------------------------------ I would support you mike in wiping it clean of winders and just load the beast up with RedHat bare metal :)

=============================================================== From: William Roush ------------------------------------------------------ You have a couple options: Various CLI tools: http://www.vmware.com/support/developer/vcli/ Or install 5.5 + vCenter ($$$) and run their new web client (uses Apache Flex), requires flash, have heard mixed opinions on it "working" for Linux users. VMware needs to get it's head in the game and not play stupid games with their new web client before Microsoft comes down on them again. William Roush william.roush@roushtech.net http://www.roushtech.net/blog/

=============================================================== From: William Roush ------------------------------------------------------ Additionally: most Linux admins I've heard just throw a Windows VM somewhere, XP works fine last time I tried it, and I doubt VMware is going to keep the vsphere client up to date. William Roush william.roush@roushtech.net http://www.roushtech.net/blog/

=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ For just a stand-alone ESXi server? you can manage it through the command line if you wanted. The vSphere app is windows only unfortunately. If you actually have vCenter licensing then it is managed via a web/flash based console now. You can still use the vSphere client but you won't have access to all the features. -Bret

=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ +1. I hate flash=85=20 -B with their new web client before Microsoft comes down on them again.

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I have not tried it, but i found this: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=3Dversion&iId=3D26916 Might be a fun experiment.....

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Windows in a VM suites me great

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Mike Harrison ┌∩┐@geeklabs.com http://www.geeklabs.com/mike.harrison.public.key.txt I should have waited until after the conference call.. They scored all possible points: 1. They ordered what their consultant told them to... and don't know what a "VMware" is. 2. They thought their other things ran on Server 2007 - yes, 2007.. They had already bought a license for this box. 3. They though Linux was a good idea, but they thought Redhat was not Linux and had never heard of Ubuntu. 4. Wanted to know where to get a Linux license: Answer; We are (really are) a Redhat reseller and we can handle that for you. So, we'll be installing Redhat or CentOS, bare metal. Possibly running a small KVM/QEMU virtual server inside.. maybe not. Why: Because if I have to jump through hoops to be able to support that VMware ESX server, I don't want to have TWO support headaches when I don't gain anything I need technically or contractually (in this case). THANK YOU for your time and sanity checks..

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Well, if they really need Windows, they can always purchase some Terminal Server licenses. Throw it on a cheap whitebox, problem solved! bs.com/mike. t

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ For me: More problems created. My job is to X Y and sometimes Z. We have clients with uber-competent sysadmins giving us a login into a VM that they manage. Awesome, hardware and virtualization and backups are their issues. They manage A to almost X. In other cases, like this one.. So my job is to make A through X as easy to support and maintain as possible. Adding a VMware server and Windows clients to the mix is a distraction, when all I really want to do is get that Linux LAMP server running. I'm not an IT generalist (any more), and only care about my X Y and Z. VMware might be great (or not), but I don't need to be learning it just for this.. And I just wiped the raid (set it to Raid 10..) and am Installing.. LINUX! (Happy Dance Happy Joy Joy!!) --Mike--

=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ I really am a fan of virtualization, but if they don't have the need, skills or support structure for it then the added complexity gets them nothing but more headaches. Good call in my opinion for whatever that is worth. -B

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Fair enough.

=============================================================== From: Jonathan Calloway ------------------------------------------------------ All, Sorry I'm a little late to this thread. I play around with EXSi server = at home as kind of a "home lab". While I have laptops running Windows, = Ubuntu, and (of course) OS X, I am always looking for ways to manage = ESXi on something other than Windows. For the record, I've had decent luck with vEMan: http://sourceforge.net/projects/veman/ See what you think! Terminal Server licenses. Throw VM that they manage. Awesome, hardware and virtualization and backups = are their issues. They manage A to almost X. In other cases, like this = one.. possible. Adding a VMware server and Windows clients to the mix is a = distraction, when all I really want to do is get that Linux LAMP server = running. just for this.. LINUX!

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ That looks like it would have worked.. Will remember that for next time. But I went "bare metal" install and it works very nicely :)

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ I personally believe that the minimum physical server count to make VMware effective is 5. Past that you just make your life that much more of a pain in the ass for no real gain. -AW

=============================================================== From: William Roush ------------------------------------------------------ How so? I've run 3 host server clusters before (in charge of two right now). Man, I've even run just one VM with some companies who had a budget of $0, simply because managing hardware independent VMs are easier in the case of massive hardware failure. William Roush william.roush@roushtech.net http://www.roushtech.net/blog/

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ I guess I did not provide enough detail with that. I did not mean virtualization in general, but the pay for VMware for enterprise. I know that there are good reasons for virtualization in general especially things like portability and recovery of critical applications when the hardware may vary. I just meant the overall burden that full VMware imposes. -AW On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 7:24 PM, William Roush wrote:

=============================================================== From: William Roush ------------------------------------------------------ > but the pay for VMware for enterprise Oh yeah, I can get what you're getting at there. Though for me the burden is more of a financial hurdle than a knowledge/configuration one by FAR. For the 3 node clusters we run the Essentials ($500) and Essentials Plus ($3500 IIRC) packages, they're enough to get your feet wet and not pay through the nose. When you start talking about vSphere Enterprise features (distributed switches, host profiles, I/O profiles, DRS, etc.) the cost jumps so high that I've been unable to step into the realm. :( Though even on my 3 hosts I find many reasons to want things such as profiles just for easy recovery and homogeneous configurations (even with just 3). I really REALLY wish VMware would screw their head on straight for their long term survivability vs. the other virtualization platforms, they've lost out a lot over the past few years over boneheaded mistakes, and competitors are just giving more and more for less every day... They really are my favorite in terms of what they provide as a product. William Roush william.roush@roushtech.net http://www.roushtech.net/blog/

=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ yup.. When VMWare breaks, it breaks BIG=85 It has huge benefits that only i= ncrease as it scales, but so do the consequences if/when things go wrong. I= can speak to that personally. -Bret lization in general, but the pay for VMware for enterprise. I know that th= ere are good reasons for virtualization in general especially things like p= ortability and recovery of critical applications when the hardware may vary= . I just meant the overall burden that full VMware imposes.

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Doesn't VMWare have a free edition of ESXi or am I just a dirty pirate without knowing it?

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ ESXi is free. You only pay if you want centralized management of all your ESXi boxen, and other cool features like vmotion.

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ Erg... Distributed switch over blade based infrastructure hell. Nothing like spaghetti networks in IBM bladecenters mixed with distributed switches in VMware in a distributed "redundant" datacenter. Oh the nightmares to troubleshoot. -AW . gs

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