EPB announcement

From: David White 
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Residences with a 50mbps connection are being upgraded automatically to a
100mbps connection.

You can now get a Gbps connection for $70/month.

I haven't seen any local news on it yet, but here's one by the Washington
Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/17/how-chattanooga-beat-google-fiber-by-half-a-decade/

The press conference is happening now, and twitter is pretty abuzz over it
right now.

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=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Do you know what they said would happen to people that already had 100mbps? I heard a rumor they were upgrading them to 1gbps. If thats the case, i cant wait!

=============================================================== From: David White ------------------------------------------------------ That's correct. WRCB just published this story a few seconds ago: http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/23453283/epb-cuts-prices-raise-speeds-for-customers

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If you go here: http://shop3.timesfreepress.com/chattanooga/view/epb-fiber-optics/stream-the-live-announcement-9-17-13/18221427 and click the "View Website" you can view the entire stream on EPB's website without it being interrupted by the rotation. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSOG0uAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdOmsH/jsV+bC7J7vq7kIQwC1Ua2k2 1QQ+Qy0z6mcVoZI+RY9LBnZ/RGK9tWuLWJFvEgTubW40/pTQiEnFfOzkQ/A/yFIK xNfAANVCBdpcyzeetVZ0a+UccfjmWJoxVTdyK+O29R/wlwcs+lg1GJVF0uxwRvVM 82wWELT0hvEJ4DNgLY5BdbZjHO6iDwcx8vHxsLl0rxBRi9eKEaARwfRBTampz3de Q38/Xnryz2Sb5pXCwCvJgzE5mh3PcxRA1gKoHULg+89nKyM8O+i/mTQgx8Zt8Qxs lueT3PTC2DImDurNwob6ID9yMxpL3WMB/ye62DyA2n2zkXvl+yRXjl16tE3ULKU= =DLqX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Carey A ------------------------------------------------------ http://timesfreepress.com/news/2013/sep/17/epb-cuts-rates-gig-service/

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ That announcement video was about as boring as possible. Nice to see the business customers get the bump as well. I wonder how long it will be before they just offer one speed...

=============================================================== From: Rod ------------------------------------------------------ Can we burn Iron Man an verizon fios in effgy?

=============================================================== From: Phil Shapiro ------------------------------------------------------ This screencast shows a visual representation of gigabit speed -- with a file transfer of 4.5 GB (the same as a DVD worth of data). Takes less than two minutes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ Just got off the phone with the paper as they always ask my opinion when EPB makes announcements. My take is that this is a really good marketing plan, but it has no real substance as EPB has consistently stated that "Gig Service" is only cheap if you don't use it. I also stated that it is frustrating when businesses that can provide a real world use case for the network do not get a chance without paying extremely high service rates on the chance that we will consistently use the bandwidth. Just my 2 cents. Not an EPB hater, just want to see real innovation with what they have built. -AW

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Its far more innovation than Comcast or AT&T is pulling right now, so at least EPB has THAT going for them. Its pretty easy to compete when your competitors are sitting on their hands hoping everyone will just stick around for the Sports channels.

=============================================================== From: William Roush ------------------------------------------------------ I'm a huge fan of EPB, but I agree with Aaron, keep pushing EPB to provide the best service possible and make it even more viable for business use. Don't just stop at giving us cheap gig, they're doing a great job as is, but don't let Comcast or AT&T even think of catching up. It'll mean a lot for IT start ups around here to get a solid fiber line for cheap for their services and keep them in-house. William Roush

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ Hmmm.... Since I can feel little to no difference between 15/30/50/100 mbps as = long as the ping is low on each of them, I see no real benefit. When everyone else in the WORLD has low ping/fiber then we'll be = talking... Now I am the fastest truck in a slow convoy... and a convoy = moves at the speed of the slowest truck. Meh. Phil Sieg President SeniorTech LLC / snapf=C5=8Dn=C2=AE www.snapfon.com phil.sieg@seniortechllc.com Phone: 423.535.9968 Fax: 423.265.9820 Mobile: 423.331.0725 "The computer is the most remarkable tool that we've ever come up with. = It's the equivalent of a bicycle for our minds." Steve Jobs, 1955-2011 when EPB makes announcements. My take is that this is a really good = marketing plan, but it has no real substance as EPB has consistently = stated that "Gig Service" is only cheap if you don't use it. I also = stated that it is frustrating when businesses that can provide a real = world use case for the network do not get a chance without paying = extremely high service rates on the chance that we will consistently use = the bandwidth. Just my 2 cents. Not an EPB hater, just want to see = real innovation with what they have built. wrote: with a file

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ As long as EPB is routing their home fiber into a fiber backbone, the speed should stay decent. Its when it hits copper that the ping will build up. g ig e n

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ EPB speed test site - 100Mbps down/up Speedtest.net - 9.44Mbps down 40.09 up Its nice to say ive got 100megs or a Gig at the house, but when i cant prove it via speed tests it kinda sucks. Thats a huge difference with the closest hop on speedtest.net On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Stephen Kraus wrot= e: d g Gig he on . h

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Wait...you have a higher up than down? ote: ld n ng "Gig the on s. :

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Thats what its telling me. On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Stephen Kraus wrot= e: rote: ild . : tated hat se ice my 2 hey :

=============================================================== From: William Roush ------------------------------------------------------ Which is odd, I pull 56.70/38.65 from Georgia Institute of Technology, what SpeedTest server are you using? Sure it isn't under heavy load? The lopsided download makes me think so... William Roush

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:17:34 -0400 Phil Sieg wrote: Frankly I'm holding out for sub 25ms ping times from Northern California to Chattanooga... Dan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSOKn1AAoJEAvds6IeGLPDCUYH/AmruSMmKEVUe89seROSTOTr soXrjGH1dlQcmgr8vXgCKd6kDln5Onz1OH4PHMXu1lbaCukz2wl6JOm4wgS338fo quhHWH5LwgcQxN/rYbJkvvkPiNa8EQ46LJ0TPl1TY64LFso+0JBJqRaF3AGI8Jdh spVNhN5d0kyJ1iTtYK7MJAifHIZHvYIuSiqUKFlzyWfA1lKu5n5sVwDzr40oaZ1K 7ZObx4CPKoSKF57dUWRRThth2bu9yIGT/tuNQz3OP8+xzfX03oh5ixYlt+AiGabh NwX0bdVZIIy7dUehT+4/hsVSrXonF81wfk1yAFwav6uETytGnxcnJpQs6xuJQ34= =2o5K -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Rod ------------------------------------------------------ Well there are people on the list who can break it. I say go ahead and try. Give them a push. BTW Just got a comcast sale flyer. $14.99 per month for a year. Available til the 30th. No I don't miss the pack shaping on my repos. On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 13:53:46 -0400, Aaron welch wrote:

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 What's the speed of light again? Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSOL7mAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcd9o8H/2nUY4MASDZzF8KyA6tzDUpS hFUUcDQP4rR4xBWXpENHXZ24XzI4f7lm90G/EJQvQtpamFFCFQ6dbL5wqhxxhwyV HhoswnDYChLOdK9R/vroQEsn8NE8UKGE/dBoBTvxMoRn14Hp2xVQehNTWW2o2kLT gqaieJD2hAGPZ8snRlA6pTpbjx4WSMB9BoIwMBH/ZXkz38mmVIa643Il8ZQRMOqw NWnlG344XtgrNcJeZZWWYy5K87NsX919tB1+QEJOLdlP7sUS0cAdudJEOYP2c00W ORIXZOWhYq9GrIvxuxazjeMnl0WNNiZWAQF4tZ86dsyCVMCD3iZOyXrjPrCmvlg= =H6/1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 OK, looks like the best theoretical max from NYC to SF is ~14ms, and the Intertubes is at a factor of two, so we'll just call it 30ms. Considering the fiber path(s) involved from Chatt to CA, might I suggest you hold your breath for something more likely to be achieved in our lifetime(s)? Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSOMALAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdmsAIAK507wl+ctDCV0kvoSDV9dmW T8PAN7KijeTAFivEk9DPxt50d9JqQhdQ4EbxdDMwgePR9B218ypsZjBuxCJL27JF v2KjbZ5aJPUtAa32XlyVx5+iBOk+28SyFz5LmwyaB+Ff/UQISn8VRS/1kHdl0/Ax D2H73bW/Z3OTDjm/lDJWQ/I7xx4u9mS597bKM53vlnci9ySg4rhLfv4o/y6UESON 5bLsCtucyIcHrpeEd+35jXEf6j/UjGlVkQv0N8OJxbUtWVKSlHdkxIBfIjO3sk8v Px39EG5HdmVmbW7FugPM0OJlUGXblG9/tlEpkoldgbuxOxxUzcbG9LFoKW5uWcQ= =1Q7a -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: "Daniel L. Appleget" ------------------------------------------------------ Dan, Let me test, what is anIP close to you I can Ping? Before this announcement I have seen incredibly low pings during my testing, I new EPB had made major change.

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ I think everyone is forgetting.. EPB still needs to backhaul to some other provider (Level3? ATT?) to get outside of its local area fiber. It doesn't matter if EPB offers 1 Gig fiber to your home, if they are on a shared 500 meg backhaul out of Chattanooga, and going through Atlanta. How about one of you EPF customers doing a traceroute on some packets going to various places and posting them. I'd be interested to know.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The last time I spoke with someone who knew, they had 4 x 10GB uplinks. Latency is the killer, not the bandwidth. And there is that pesky speed of light thing.... ATL/NYC/DC/CHI will be your usual routing paths, depending on your final destination. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSOMEpAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcd9psH/1jZrzS+AR+gkLWBq4K2hL0j 1dVOo+aqKN46rFJa5WlPuhVSVoq1WoulYjBQVUlss+x6XnpPGEhqFfppKFT25Wu7 YIT8hxXoAR0nv4Z8oLXv1hLj2CmfPsikaxezDnurPceOBTudMPfq67TzRUbGhBg0 KIBcIO0uBYsSCWD95nMSWo2OZAXzX/Oj/JrWj6JxzRCN60dX3JdRbsWfTLUsR1jz OkBTHR9s3vwAsr9Y9AEOmsdmKKT0arRk61h9Vtr1G4eS/8JCZVUOKwmOFZWD3O4E JN9hxbAQI5xtEUpMdhxt2aSCwyzo7fMOCWJk4Gmt/758Jj8Wri3qg3Ji78uwvk0= =2JRg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: David White ------------------------------------------------------ *Here's a couple of traceroutes, 1 to a server in NJ, and 1 to a server in Atlanta.* Interesting that in both cases, the first few hops outside of my house time out. * New Jersey:* C:\Users\David>tracert new-jersey-server Tracing route to my-new-jersey-server [my-ip-address] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 1 ms > they are on a shared 500 meg backhaul out of Chattanooga, and going

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:40:55 -0400 "Daniel L. Appleget" wrote: That was a joke (Dave got it). Chattanooga is 2459 miles away by road, and that's a fairly straight set of roads. 2459 miles is 0.0132003884 light seconds, or 13.2 light milliseconds. Round trip would be 26.4 milliseconds. So a ping time of 25 milliseconds would mean packets were exceeding the speed of light. But if'n ya wanna, sonic.net supplies fiber to Sebastopol and Palo Alto and is working on a few other places (same basic price range, $40 for 100 megabit, $70 for gigabit, with phone and long distance and bla bla bla), and is also my ISP (although I've just got an ADSL2+ connection). So www.sonic.net is reasonable to test, and home.flutterby.net is sitting under my desk in Petaluma. Though that's a ZTE 300 modem talking to my home server, so that could add 50ms right there... Dan

=============================================================== From: Joe Freeman ------------------------------------------------------ Information I gathered a couple of years ago when the company I was working with at the time was making lots of proposals to lots of places for high speed connectivity- Because of geological topology, there are three main fiber paths through Chattanooga. One of those (Knoxville) hasn't been fully developed last time I looked at it, and the best route at the time between Knoxville and Chattanooga was through Nashville. Obviously Nashville is one of the remaining two, and the last one is ATL. Norfolk Southern spun their fiber business out to a separate company quite a while back, but last time I talked to them, they only had fiber south to ATL, via Rome. Allied Fiber was going to build new fiber between ATL - Chattanooga and Knoxville a couple of years ago, but their website doesn't show anything about Chattanooga at the moment. Level3's primary pop is at 1601 Central, and they have connections from there all over the place. CenturyLink (Qwest) actually has three pops here - the CLEC pop on 16th, the Qwest pop on Slayton, and one on Rossville that no one I know has ever been able to tell me what was in it. Chattanooga has lots of fiber going north/south, but very little east/west. The primary connection sites are in ATL (56 Marietta for example), and Chicago via Nashville. Joe

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 EPB blocks all ICMP beyond pings on most of their equipment. Tracerouting through them sucks. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSON0DAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdUYkH/20C/pcoX8UBBai3mdmuRIq5 vcT8vAuNX0jJ7BQzrB6hMgjtA+2Sc4OC82g3uqU6ynw2F6vG3sF9AGwuk2n0js9j KGMq0VPaVBbbmVGLcuB+5J0XdDFrlYAn+AFNODvfcdbFSJSGGLa06L9xjkas+tgb Pd3XKrZ+gg95DBsxdh3I6srF6vKn76tbO2dDUK30TAR89kEi+LR5VPLK43E6Falu 0mHiNx4YEXFkVtah27/wuW5dppf8JjZT9akLyGVrj+FLgmMPtc1qCnOt4lYiHS/1 HjtPeEERfQpw3m2aNCYmp0p06ofHd9lKqBV7ns8L8789oxnMzAsWotLr5duWUX0= =8L3C -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The last time I had access to fiber maps around Chattanooga, there was actually more fiber in the ground in Chattanooga Metro than there was in ATL. The problem is, no one actually stops in Chattanooga. Go dig on either side of pretty much any railroad tracks, you'll find more glass than you know what to do with*.... Regards, dtb [*] For the record, I am not publicly suggesting anyone dig up anything on the railroad's ROW. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSON6EAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdHUUH/jmYAhZbhaoxOkw46ULgFgzG EijqEk6WlyJXkfmvx7r81Bit+voJYZe6qCEyYa9PRMcja+CVBBCWOCNS8IIW06T9 paKJulsLdcRrfw1gdVgCxITg2TbGcY2jgZdTDFxbrTPpoE3Rymssq2hKp5H+drrg //PXeOmWfrV+I7Yt7juDw+O44RA5PPaig51U2RhxSq0iAaLSxR7vikSmP7/bbqm7 tU+UJfu0IKSUqblkIM3DAix5jCtxY/P6yuxN75mRx1CmW4aLT3xlOPouppT5uUgd 5MHicZ0tyS2CrSjatj/c9QR9F0rC+/m+996w5Owd9edkh2hPIvP2BacIELcwP+4= =Ofcw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Joe Freeman ------------------------------------------------------ I can get access to that fiber on either side of the railroad tracks. Chattanooga to ATL will cost about $400K to light up though, last time I quoted it out. Very hard to make that price point economical without a lot of scale here.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If I were going to do it, I'd be lighting it myself, priced a wave from here to ATL lately? - --dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSOOo5AAoJEMP+wtEOVbcd4xAH/0bnAXQK8s4W7RT9KfRQnHHo 9ioNpu/PMDB4Qf1JfbHqSzsaLcgkdn5RQHS6h4uuVm6M4EUysXNa5Q7VS7wpyOkG zghR7AuVSN7rldaEt3TC7epp9sXCSN1nI0ZNjp9kkJtV4dku/OasU/lUvc4Rmaqi aauLAUEF60UyKIOaPVEpNGADigXF5uIDtAGPUK7Q1bnD9X+P2xDyTKQR6aVJqfuw 7CHVq8TO0ef+s/T8HDJHrnxVTJk7WQfI0FJiwasNcC0jH0FGnlvUalleUN3ArYDH EaFvkfXVM0Shhr+kRZrUaFx40IitW2xybvQ4Sj7ZTCuFHn/a/TG5TK1EpV2+cLc= =2yHY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ Quoting Dave Brockman : If you use MTR, I believe there's a way to traceroute using other protocols besides ICMP.

=============================================================== From: "Daniel L. Appleget" ------------------------------------------------------ THIS IS A LINUX USERS GROUP, HUMOR IS NOT ALLOWED.

=============================================================== From: Mike Smith ------------------------------------------------------ eddpics Thanks, Mike Smith (423) 650-4417

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Depends how you run it. tcptrace usually does the job for me. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSOiW8AAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdcaMH/jrThkuLLcjxSa6I96woTEri H4HnibBbhuOoOX1P+geaKShhm0TMi7fphY+aEx+YcK5+HpDu16TrhoniidMlz4RU Teq48QsBE3JHJQyNx/X0Ocn64IYIng6NQM11KgpaIaZ4z4egOPsgzWoFlgtX+6uw bMhQOOcrqtlXEOI+vo7aQlrWnG8CQImL57LRjd2zgjsTI/7ixwQX2KmzNxwPoe1T WM937Wy9KoGfz+BxQ3IRT3EwMbNqGcmBe93t95TcpoyTjIu4MjebdDXvwH/qKOMH sG47aUQkzBDg19Po1WENahyMwU4bRvYtePXIKa0e3iuiWbnM40YINkoMPsmf4VI= =lWc0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: rdflowers ------------------------------------------------------ 186282 or some such mi./sec. 25ms would be about 4600 miles or so. ----- Message from dave@brockmans.com --------- Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 16:43:18 -0400 From: Dave Brockman Reply-To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Chugalug] EPB announcement To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group

=============================================================== From: Andrew Rodgers ------------------------------------------------------ I want EPB to host linux repos. I would love to get all of my updates at the full gigabit speed, with no cost to EPB for backhaul. For that matter, they should host windows updates too.

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Just guessing from the past history of some of the people that work at EPB: there probably is some good repo's and a hellacious warez collection. But you'd have to be part of the club. I'll have to admit, the difference between the old kewl-style ISP's and the new large corporate behemouths is exactly that type of thing. It would give EPB an +1 or more to run: (if they do please post addresses/info here)) * NTP (time) server * NNTP (news) server (even if text only) * Repo/Distro Mirrors * Freeware/ShareWare/FOSS Mirrors * IRC server The repo/distro/update/ms-update mirrors might be transparent cache's already. If done right, it's tricky to determine the actual source of those bytes. Anyone know? (I'm not on EPB, I have no info...)

=============================================================== From: Rod ------------------------------------------------------ Don't about windows updates , but nothing stopping us from hosting repos on our own. I think we should spread out among distros and platforms to prevent all the eggs being in one basket. On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 23:01:32 -0400, Andrew Rodgers wrote:

=============================================================== From: Dan Eveland ------------------------------------------------------ That's a great idea. Rackspace does this. I noticed my apt-get update activity was hitting a Rackspace server form some stuff. I would think Linode would do this but I don't know.

=============================================================== From: David White ------------------------------------------------------ Yes, Linode does this too. :]