BAD GOOGLE! google drops xmmp

From: Rod-Lists 
"During last week's Google I/O conference, the company announced a replacement for its aging Talk instant messenger: Google Hangouts. Hangouts, which is only available for Android, iOS, and Chrome, offers closer integration with Google+. Unfortunately, the new product drops support for the XMPP instant messaging protocol, which has been an integral part of Talk for over ten years."

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I don't like Hangout either, it just is not as easy to use. *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Jason Brown ------------------------------------------------------ This is very annoying, we use XMPP at the office internally and the ability to communicate with Google users is and important feature. --Jason

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ Found this. "Practically speaking, what Google's change means is that Google Hangouts users will still be able to have IM chats with users on XMPP services such as Jabber, the Free Software Foundation, and Openfire servers, and vice-versa. In addition, users of third-party IM clients, such as Pidgin, Trillian, and Microsoft's will also continue to be able to IM with Google Hangout users. What independent XMPP server users and IM client users won't be able to do is use Google Hangout's additional services such as VoIP, video-conferencing, or have multiple participants in an IM session. If you want those, you'll need to use Google's Hangouts apps or the Google Web-based Hangouts client." ----- Jason Brown wrote:

=============================================================== From: Jason Brown ------------------------------------------------------ I saw that too, good news for me. Basic instant messaging is all I really need here. --Jason

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ So if you use an app that uses (used?) Google Voice to make phone calls - is that effected? Or is Google Voice different from Google Talk? *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: "Robert A. Kelly III" ------------------------------------------------------ I'm a little confused here. EFF's explanation seems to be saying that Google users will still be able to connect with third-party clients, but they will *not* be able to have IM chats with users on other XMPP services like Jabber, FSF, Openfire, etc. But from my understanding you can still interoperate by XMPP as long as you continue to use Talk instead of Hangouts. I think when you swap from Talk to Hangouts, you lose all of your XMPP contacts. Currently, you can choose between Talk and Hangouts within Gmail. Google says that Google Talk will be supported for the forseeable future, but intends to eventually replace it with Hangouts.