For discussion: Chromebook Pixel

From: John Aldrich 
What do you guys think of Google's new "Chromebook" at $1300??? Runs 
ChromeOS, and your only real options for apps are Google's apps (at this 
point.) Would you buy one and try wiping and reinstalling Linux on it or 
would you just go out and buy a mainstream laptop (Apple/Windows) and 
dual-boot or wipe and install Linux???

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ For that kind of money... I would buy a MacBook Pro/Air... Oh that's right, I did! Phil Sieg President SeniorTech LLC / Snapfon B: 423.535.9968 F: 423.265.9820 M: 423.331.0725

=============================================================== From: Lee Walker ------------------------------------------------------ Linus Torvalds says it's the best computer he's owned. Lee Walker Principal Engineer Cell 404 405 1194 Skype l.s.walker Code Journeymen LLC 100 Cherokee Blvd Suite 332 Chattanooga TN 37405

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ Or for a bit more:

=============================================================== From: Ralph Edge ------------------------------------------------------ I debated getting one recently, but ended up paying $1100 for an asus g75vx @ best buy..hell of a machine for the price.

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ I'm not Linus Torvalds... but I'd say my Apple 15" MacBook Pro with Retina display is the best computer I've ever owned. Retina: I didn't realize how much I've grown accustom to the retina display until work replaced my Linux desktop with a brand new non-retina 15" MBP. OMG! I can see the pixels. Yech! Also, my rMBP has become infamous at the office because it works with every projector in every conference room without changing any settings and even if IT swears the cable is broken. My new non-retina MBP fails 70% of the time just like everyone else's. Apple seems to have put real effort into making sure the Thunderbolt/mini-DVI ports "just work" on the new boxes. OSX: If you haven't spent quality time with OSX, then you don't realize how nice it is to have a consumer-oriented OS that also has a (supported!) Unix shell. I do run Ubuntu in a VM for my "real work" but I can do 95% of that work in OSX directly. Part of my "real work" is "has to work on Ubuntu", so there's always the chance that something might work on OSX but not Ubuntu. So I just keep a VM in Parallels. Caveats: I don't know if I can ever get used to the keyboard layout. I think I may change the settings on the two Macs I use regularly so the command/ctrl keys behave more like a PC. SSD/RAM are soldered on the motherboard. You can't upgrade without a factory replacement... That's a tough one because you want a box this expensive to last a little while. However, the fact that Apple sells MacBooks with 4GB of RAM tells you that the memory needs of the average user have flattened. And storage is moving more to the cloud. -Eric -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734

=============================================================== From: Mike Robinson ------------------------------------------------------ I basically feel the same way that Eric Wolf does =96 non-Retina in my = case =96 about my MBP. As a matter of principle, I never buy = "generation 1.0" of anything electronic. (The one exception I made, for = an iPhone, I quickly came to regret .. and I have a Samsung phone now = anyway.) Google's selling this system strictly in order to try to = legitimize Chrome. But, do we really need a third or a fourth, = incompatible, laptop operating-system in play? No, no more than we need = a Windows (.. brand) tablet operating-system. I use my Mac because it is a Unix-based system, AND because I can buy a = three-year soup-to-nuts bumper-to-bumper warranty for a very nominal = fee. Apple has a very well-developed infrastructure (thank you, Tim = Cook in your previous position), a well-made product and the ability to = execute. A "Chrome-book" is a complete unknown, as for that matter is = Chrome. You would have thought by now that people would realize that owning an = operating-system gives you no competitive advantage at all. What = matters is that the thing works, every day, as hard as I do, and that if = the day dawns when it doesn't, I can walk down to a store and, having = paid no money, walk out with a replacement and keep earning my keep. = It's "a well-made tool." --------- Mike Robinson Technical Director Sundial Services International, LLC (615) 268-3829

=============================================================== From: Randy Yates ------------------------------------------------------ I'm not sure how well the Pixel looks compared to a Retina display, but its high pixel display is supposed to be one of its selling points. On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Mike Robinson w= rote: se of ng A

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I don't understand why anyone would ever buy a Chromebook - at any price. There just is no killer app for it, nothing that it does that no other operating system doesn't do - and so much it doesn't do that any other OS would. But I could possibly see if you wanted an "unbreakable" cheapy system for grandma or the kids. But even the $250 Chromebooks are too expensive for that. (Just get a tablet, or a cheap laptop with a known, full-featured OS for the same or lower price.) If the Pixel ran Ubuntu or Windows 8 or Mac OS X, then it MIGHT be worth the price for the hardware. But not Chrome. Sorry Google, I'm with you for Android, not for Chrome. *- Chad W. Smith* n I e's do m . A s

=============================================================== From: Randy Yates ------------------------------------------------------ I'm pretty sure you can install any Linux you want on the Pixel, but I could be completely wrong. on I le's , do em e. . A rs y

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ At work, I regularly cart a laptop to meetings. Everything I need is in the browser. So a Chromebook would work fine. However, by the time you factor in support costs (i.e., I'd need another system to get real work done...), I might as well lug around a MacBook. -Eric -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734 on I le's , do em e. . A rs y

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ Randy: The article that Lee linked to mentioned that Linus Torvalds runs Fedora 18 on his Pixel. And to be fair, getting Linux to install native on a MacBook is a PITA. I've done it. I don't recommend it. -Eric -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734 . S y ion , I gle's t, do tem a ee. n e. A ers ay

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ Anything with kernel 3.9+ will work fine.