woof woof

From: Ed King 
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old dog learn new tricks bow wow wow

been using Linux regularly since 1998
was a tru64 admin for hamilton county for 8 years
have a den full of various flavors of unix (irix, hp-ux, solaris, etc)

never used vi...  until today ;-)

configuring a RedHat-based phone system...    unfortunately, NOT asterisk


=============================================================== From: wes ------------------------------------------------------ welcome to the dark side of the force! use your anger! your hatred will make you stronger! -wes

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ I use VI all the time, when Nano isn't available. Let the flameware commence. Truthfully, though I know how to insert (i), get out of insert mode (esc), quit (:q), and quit with save (:wq). That is all I have ever found that I need to do in vi.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ Welcome to the dark side, Ed! Freeswitch? --dtb -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925

=============================================================== From: "kitepilot@kitepilot.com" ------------------------------------------------------ Man I can't live without 'vi'. I don't know how to use anything else... I don't even know how to use 'vi'! (after 15 years using it exclusively) ET

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ Way back when I knew alot more powerful commands such as search and replace, grab a block of lines/letters and move them, etc. Today I just do the basics. I miss writing shell scripts that should have been actual code. -AW

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I will never forget the global search/replace: %s/search/replace/g But other than that, moving, insert, replace, delete and some directional quantifiers, that's about it for me as well :) Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRBwQOAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcdy6IH/28lFiQcG8EZtDLwoOBdsvXm y+tmcyiszoNASCf36tjVvo4eWyZS3TLG/aSHc5OnyEO1QymirtRe1CoCIsGEQOXn 4LqUfbLl315U/4yXIyglwRlt+qGAOROznyJjT3PJx3D9RL7stOSXDgmDnLns+/K7 BPbk7pezaPPNmeVGVjY1rPkgJl0xur9KUyXtJGjCd7VkoxVdVVsb4ktWLLoaabw5 nz9Jr90GVjJZikz9gDSo1IRBVE9Dyta262HITNKf5hrFUbQM7vf4eatOudSD39jo HM80xihgKtCKWbaYT/Aymbhr9iHuZ5gXpSxyE8wNA1EoZlM4MOQiFejmTCX215U= =KwNk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Tim Youngblood ------------------------------------------------------ Or :q! as I forget to sudo 50% of the time.

=============================================================== From: Benjamin Stewart ------------------------------------------------------ I have occasionally made use of the multiple tab functionality in vim (:tabnew, :tabn, :tabp), and of course sometimes you need to use shell commands to compile or restart a service(:!make)!

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ be root or get off the porch.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I must also admit to turning on line numbers, making extensive use of them, and also a fan of :!sh to shell out :) I am more likely to have multiple vi sessions open in multiple screen "screens" than I am to tab in vi itself.... (old habits die hard). Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRByNPAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcd5b8IAJGwA+7uf/J/cSn3FxYfTgGv sPlP92ReluDkGgsLvEE4dH4YM6eAHbb9wJ6bOuWPMsfkZd4NepsK8zljD6z4PNPI 3OdUvBJvz+DyViT10u3t+vShdqYWjQj2I8b9xceQXE4FufBMHS0iPXFPwS+/LW32 C5in4lNw0UjRFf+AaH8HAazfMPh+GA3BBBqjbzOKdaT+BMXilVK1DXqd+zKghFAZ 6q5Mg1sfZpwOFg0dtTUzh1gH9afI+/U9X7SkgV9qstNytp6fNOrVYZTSvOf09Nir z+bbgGJuhaANgAFNgoef0gvvbByPsPtmhQV1DNZNAv44CvU1UPfn2ehRv6WZbL8= =u7df -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for that Mike, I was looking for the best way to state that :) Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRByNqAAoJEMP+wtEOVbcd6twH/0wS8sCO3AzvpikRelZSprtx pxER4RromoB8oF2YfUOsEj2mdNtvPO0lEuWGM/XrnzzDLB89u/JdXB7rsg3E2a4J JK1WeSLJOiDF5q4JeKGsuoe7Efa4BCKPBanNlk7i2j1NQ6yV7HxtdeD5WeQ7qNl0 YM7rGj3G6PwGnjyK2oBZG11gmQyAN3CwPLOrIaPIfIUsjcZupBRs4o4h24J9jCUu fFl2avCN1PUisHvGFdaNLqW6uzo4L5ATwFjty16yXX0sbztz4dgRY0+sS409mDYR K8khTi9NdaEL8UioRKIA/86tKTSWBO78buF1uSozbFEUWvv0yqrGNKWCPntjDqY= =Qjn7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Sean Brewer ------------------------------------------------------ Tabs in vim are fantastic. To open a several files with each in their own tab in vim just do vim -p followed by your file list separated by spaces. It's super handy.

=============================================================== From: Tim Youngblood ------------------------------------------------------ Haha. Okay I'll always just log in as the root user from now on...

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ It actually depends on what you are doing. I just couldn't pass up the cute one-line response. With a subject line of 'Woof Woof'... My X-windows sessions are almost always a normal user, but if I am at a prompt, it's usually as root or at least: sudo -s When doing serious system admin stuff, the real root user has some different paths and command defaults that make an actual root session preferable to "sudo -s", of course they are the more dangeroous defaults. It's a religious thing, and there are valid reasons to use sudo, do what feels right for you. I like my CLI naked and powerful, doing exactly what I tell it to. Some people like to ask for special permission from their master... Oh. wrong forum (maybe).

=============================================================== From: Tim Youngblood ------------------------------------------------------ I was kidding. I always sudo.

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah, and I've been up since 2am teaching SQL and accounting to an ex-bank programmer whome thinks that because "Heidi" http://www.heidisql.com/ says it's a good query to do something, is sure it's the best way to do something. Hence my long responses, I'm trying to keep my sanity. Just because you CAN do a "left inner join" with that other table, and an outer join with a third table, does not make the result set valid with the data and relationships in them. ------------- Which gets back to an old topic: A Chugalug meeting focused on MySQL tuning/tweaks/tricks, and maybe a thought or three about using MariaDB? Anyone want to play Wednesday evening at 701 Broad 2nd floor? Maybe next Wednesday night instead?

=============================================================== From: Tim Youngblood ------------------------------------------------------ Email is such a poor contextual means of communication. Proven. Get some sleep.