Pawn Shop PC's

From: JonathanCalloway 
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Greetings! 


I found the Mac I've been wanting at a Pawn shop this weekend, and got a great deal on it. However, I noticed that the much of the previous owner's data was still on it. It made me wonder how many PC's (and Macs) get sold at pawn shops with personal data on them. 


While I understand there is a chance that it may have been stolen (I've heard that one already!), is it possible that pawn shops regularly perform fresh Windows installs, or even wipes on PC's, but they just dind't know what to do with this Mac? 


I wonder how many identities are stolen in pawn shops. . . What do you think? 


 

=============================================================== From: Randy Yates ------------------------------------------------------ As someone who has frequented Pawn Shops and needed them from time to time, I have to say my identity isn't worth stealing. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that most people who lose their computer in a pawn shop probably don't have very good credit. Thus their need for pawn shops. Also, knowing a lot of pawn shop owners, I doubt any of them wipe any PC whether it's Windows, Linux, or Mac.

=============================================================== From: Steve Keylon ------------------------------------------------------ Randy, My friend's trunk was broken into the other day and his macbook was stolen. Unfortunately, he had forgotten to enable FindMyMac prior to this. A police report has been filed, but all hope is lost at this point. We can talk all day about what could have been done to help this situation. However, the fact of the matter is he's not the one taking that laptop to the pawn shop but he is the one with the identity in potential danger of being stolen. Sure, pawn shops are supposed to watch out for stolen items, and sure, sometimes the items get found at the pawn shop. But think about all the times that these systems fail. ---- Steve Keylon Lamp Post Group steve.keylon@lamppostgroup.com 866-272-2057 ext. 1072

=============================================================== From: Randy Yates ------------------------------------------------------ That's true, Steve. I wonder what the laws are for pawn shops when handling computers. If your friend reported the serial number and it shows up in a pawnshop, I'm pretty sure they have to check if it's stolen. If they don't follow that law, I doubt they'd follow a law that said they have to wipe a hard drive x amount of times though.

=============================================================== From: Rich ------------------------------------------------------ I have witnessed a few shops that go in and remove everything in My docs, pi= ctures, and a few other folders.=20 As far as Mac I could not tell you. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2012, at 4:03 PM, JonathanCalloway wr= ote: reat deal on it. However, I noticed that the much of the previous owner's d= ata was still on it. It made me wonder how many PC's (and Macs) get sold at= pawn shops with personal data on them. =20 ard that one already!), is it possible that pawn shops regularly perform fre= sh Windows installs, or even wipes on PC's, but they just dind't know what t= o do with this Mac? nk?

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 My experience supporting Pawn Shops in the past (I do not currently have any pawn shops as clients) suggests that "fresh Windows install" and "wipe PC" don't translate. My personal opinion is that, you (the proverbial you who sold a PC to a pawn shop) should take responsibility for and be accountable for your own data and privacy. If you seriously expect a pawn shop to proactively protect you..... I wish you luck. Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlCYRm4ACgkQABP1RO+tr2RqzQCgpP++X1Iak6f5d4/Six03zF1F cDcAoIUg64kg+n41gXB6dAY31lqw0Sye =AMB/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Not everyone who takes a computer to a pawn shop and leaves it there "loses" it - some people do actually sell them outright. That said, if I were selling or pawning my computer, I would wipe it myself. I've bought used hard drives from ebay before that were not wiped. Got several dozen gigabytes of decent music that way once. :D *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ I'm aware that many shops use password cracking programs to get in, unaware that most machines these days have a factory settings restore feature. Not sure if a similar feature exists for macs. Most windows pc users on this list(excluding people like Phil,Chad & Lisa) know about macs than your average pawn shop owner. ----- Original Message -----

=============================================================== From: Sean Brewer ------------------------------------------------------ When I was a regular mac user (up until about 2 years ago or so) macs were pretty easy to get into. Not sure about now.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Physical access trumps all.... Macs are still UNIX, they can still be booted into single-user mode with key combinations, and like any other UNIX, they can be rooted if you can mount /etc. Not that I expect the guy at the pawn shop to know that.... :) Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlCYgeoACgkQABP1RO+tr2R95QCfU6h/YrWY+nomr/wtwOOJrApu gtsAoLDV88qyo/gSCfVEFxusQIVXXvj6 =/uUs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ according to the CCCCC... http://www.sinasohn.com/clascomp/ccccc.htm I'm not even supposed to view the personal information I have found on so many of the computers I've acquired from thrift stores and yardsales as part of my computer collecting hobby. yeah right

=============================================================== From: Jonathan Calloway ------------------------------------------------------ For the record, I was able to boot the machine with an old 10.5 disk I have laying around. I was able to use the password change utility to change the password of the account (even though it was a 10.5 install). I then booted back in to OS X, and used the original account to create my own account. I then logged in with my new account, and deleted the original. While I could not find the original owner (at least the name that was used to crate the account) on Facebook, I decided to preserve the home folder in a disk image, just in case. From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] On Behalf Of Ed King Sent: Monday, November 05, 2012 11:41 PM To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Pawn Shop PC's according to the CCCCC... http://www.sinasohn.com/clascomp/ccccc.htm I'm not even supposed to view the personal information I have found on so many of the computers I've acquired from thrift stores and yardsales as part of my computer collecting hobby. yeah right