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Wi-Fi passwords

From: John Aldrich 
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An acquaintance of mine from Facebook asked me a question today - she wanted 
to know how to crack a Wi-Fi password so she could use a neighbor's Wi-Fi 
without their knowledge and/or permission. I strongly discouraged her, but 
what do you guys think? 
Would you do it if you couldn't afford to pay for internet? Would you help 
someone do it? If so, how would you suggest going about it?

=============================================================== From: Ralph Edge ------------------------------------------------------ A little bird told me aircrack works for this kind of thing. I might would crack a wi-fi network for use if I were out of town somewhere and needed to 'borrow' some internet for a short time. If I couldn't afford to pay for internet, I'd probably try to track down a neighbor with wi-fi and see about paying them $10 or $20 a month to share their connection. Don't think I would help someone do this unless it was the type of person that could probably puzzle through it on their own anyway(more of a 'lets see if we can do this'). Would hate to break in for someone and then them do something silly that gets themselves(and possibly me) into trouble. -Ralph

=============================================================== From: Cynicalgeek ------------------------------------------------------ If you have to ask this question...AND if you are considering helping her... IMHO you have no ethics.

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Honestly, stealing is stealing. I would tell her the time it would take to crack a potentially strong wifi password isn't worth it for free internet. This would give me an "easy out" without having to say "Im not going to help you steal". Theres a reason the neighbors put a password on their wifi. They don't want anyone else on it. Same reason they lock their doors. Just my opinion on the matter.

=============================================================== From: David White ------------------------------------------------------ It's *incredibly* easy to crack *some* types of wireless passwords (old WEP, etc...). Newer algorithms used (WPA, etc...) are more secure. That said, I'm of the opinion of most other folks who have already responded: Stealing is stealing, and it is *unethical* to hack into someone's wireless network for the purposes of using the internet. I wouldn't even look for the easy way out, if I was asked for this - I'd just simply say no. My 2 cents....

=============================================================== From: Christopher Rimondi ------------------------------------------------------ +1 to "stealing is stealing"

=============================================================== From: Erik Hanson ------------------------------------------------------ It's not just stealing. Depending on what the wifi thief is doing online, they could endanger every computer on the network, or possible bring legal trouble down on the family whose home is associated with that ip address.

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ +1 here too

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ 0. She's a 19/45 year old DHS-CyberWarfare hack trying to catch you with information and knowledge that would label you as a person of interest. 1. In mundane circles I admit that I have read that such things are possible, but I have no knowledge of them myself. 2. I contend that even in geekier circles, you should figure such things out yourself, in private, on your own network, for educational white hat purposes only. 3. She might be amazed at what a fresh baked batch of cookies (or similar gift) at the neighbors house will get you... like both permission and the "password". 4. Stealing IS stealing, will she also run an extension cord and water hose? WiFi leaching can be a liability for both parties. ie: He really is a

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ Chad would Mac slap John for asking a question. Then fill our inboxes with links from Google about how stupid people have gotten arrested for this. /stops channeling Chad as the candles die

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I'll just laughing that anyone would ask such a question. And the fact that she asked such a question on FACEBOOK.... smh *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Billy ------------------------------------------------------ Mike, you're paranoid - but just because you are doesn't mean they aren't looking for ya ;) John, Seriously. There is some fundamental judgment making ability that you may need to cultivate. Pretty skirts can flirt, but they'll just give you a world of hurt. There really isn't a rationale you can use here. It's stealing. It doesn't matter if she is poor, or disabled, or old, or cute, or a single mother, or whatever heart string excuse she pulled out of the excuse book. Whatever reasoning you apply to this situation is just to ease your own guilt about doing something unethical and wrong. There is no entitlement for Internet. Or phone. Or even McDonald's. if she can't afford Internet, well, she doesn't get it. She'll need to figure out another (hopefully moral) way of barter or negotiation in order to get Internet access. If you feel so strongly about it, perhaps you could invite her to use your Internet. I highly advise against that, however. I recently was asked by a friend - a mom of my son's friend for help with her plasma tv. She wanted to borrow my soldering iron, so she could replace some capacitors on the power supply of her tv. She learned this information from a YouTube video. I declined. I declined for several reasons. One being I did not want to be responsible for her death - she is not a technical person. She is just cheap, and her priorities are skewed toward things that aren't technology. She would rather risk her life instead of paying repairs and use the "savings" to go to Disney. Don't be responsible for her inability to recognize unethical behavior. Don't enable it. And you probably need to distance yourself. Just my 2 cents. Sent from my iPhone

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ For at least two years I had free Internet access because I had a deal with the neighbor. I provided tech support and secured the wireless network in exchange for using it.

=============================================================== From: Randy Yates ------------------------------------------------------ Is she telling you that she needs to steal it from her neighbors so she can talk to you on Facebook more, John?

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ A little bird told me aircrack works for this kind of thing. I might would crack a wi-fi network for use if I were out of town somewhere and needed to 'borrow' some internet for a short time. If I couldn't afford to pay for internet, I'd probably try to track down a neighbor with wi-fi and see about paying them $10 or $20 a month to share their connection. Don't think I would help someone do this unless it was the type of person that could probably puzzle through it on their own anyway(more of a 'lets see if we can do this'). Would hate to break in for someone and then them do something silly that gets themselves(and possibly me) into trouble. Honestly, that's what I suggested was going to a neighbor and offering to pay $10 or so a month. It just didn't sound right to me to use another person's WiFi without their permission.

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ If you have to ask this question...AND if you are considering helping her... IMHO you have no ethics. No, I wasn't really thinking of helping her, just wanted to make sure I was on the same page as you guys.

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ Thanks, everyone. That's pretty much what I figured... and what I advised her. I just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page, that the "groupthink" hadn't changed recently. :D

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ Is she telling you that she needs to steal it from her neighbors so she can talk to you on Facebook more, John? Unfortunately not. :D

=============================================================== From: JonathanCalloway ------------------------------------------------------ I'd say it depends on how cute she is. . . . . Just kidding! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Aldrich" To: "Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 6:40:11 AM Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Wi-Fi passwords Is she telling you that she needs to steal it from her neighbors so she can talk to you on Facebook more, John? Unfortunately not. :D

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ The ham in me says put up a bigger stick and see what you can get. Trust me someone nearby has an open link. I remember once I hooked up a six meter receiver to a huge two meter antenna at the rescue squad (200 ft tower). Picked up old cordless phones (40-50hz) from everywhere. Wifi is radio. The same applies. Though she will need a tuned antenna to transmit. ----- Original Message -----

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ +1 I've dishes for project like this for a neighbor. ----- Original Message -----

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:14:39 -0400 John Aldrich wrote: I volunteer with some pretty low-income folks. Like "hundreds of dollars a month in income in Northern California". "Couldn't afford to pay" is usually a matter of prioritization. And payment is also a matter of social capital: What's stopping this person from meeting their neighbor and asking if they're willing to subsidize their Internet use by sharing the password with them? That's a separate issue from the technical challenge of cracking the WiFi password, which I'm totally interested in the answer to, but... Dan

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ Quoting Dan Lyke : Yeah. I understand. I ended up suggesting she go flirt with a neighbor to see if she could get the WiFi password if she flashed a little leg and some cash. :D

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ To put an end to this, if she showed a little leg she might end up making cash. :+P. You know you were all thinking it. -AW