EPB articles at timesfreepress.com

From: Aaron Welch 
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http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/oct/04/gig-tank-winner-settles-for-l=
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http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/oct/04/epbs-gig-service-hoax-chattan=
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Let me know what you guys think.



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=============================================================== From: Ralph Edge ------------------------------------------------------ I'm curious - the $300 their consumer price for the gig, right? What is their normal price for small business? 50k/year seems kinda ridiculous for a gaming shop, I don't see how they would classify that as a large business, or expect a gaming shop to be able to pay that much. -Ralph

=============================================================== From: Tim Youngblood ------------------------------------------------------ Love to see competition for Epb and glad you are driving the discussion. I love me some Epb, but BS is BS and the 'gig' is marketing gone too far. Given the same scenario I would have taken the same path. Let's see who else picks up this story nationally. Forwarding now.

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=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ The $300 price is for business that EPB expects not to use alot of bandwidth. So, if you want to have the touchy-feeling of saying "I have Gig internet", EPB will hook you up for $300 per month, but they expect you to only use a fraction of it.

=============================================================== From: Ralph Edge ------------------------------------------------------ Ah, the one article says $300 is the advertised small business price. I'm curious what the ongoing costs would be on EPBs side for providing internet to Iron Labs. How can they justify not classifying them as a small business? Hopefully this bad press will have them acting differently soon. -Ralph

=============================================================== From: Joe Freeman ------------------------------------------------------ I think that's the point - create the product, but price it out of the market so that you never have to deliver it... get lots of press and free advertising...

=============================================================== From: jwells@networksonline.net ------------------------------------------------------ From: Aaron Welch=20 Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 8:57 AM To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group=20 Subject: [Chugalug] EPB articles at timesfreepress.com http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/oct/04/gig-tank-winner-settles-fo= r-less-chattanooga/ http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/oct/04/epbs-gig-service-hoax-chat= tanooga-free-press-opini/ Let me know what you guys think. -AW Aaron all I can say is WOW great article=E2=80=99s and at the same time = =E2=80=9CI am not surprised=E2=80=9D long story sometime at lunch ! Glad = you at least got something tell us how is the speed of the 100MB from = Comcast ?=20 =20 Jim

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=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ Tm90IGEgbW92ZXIgb3IgYSBzaGFrZXIsIGp1c3QgYW5vdGhlciBnZWVrIGJ1bGwgaW4gYSBjaGlu YSBzaG9wIG9mIGJ1bGxzaGl0LgoKLUFXCgpPbiBPY3QgNCwgMjAxMiwgYXQgOToyNCBBTSwgIkFs ZXggU21pdGggKEs0Uk5UKSIgPHNoYWRvd2h1bnRlckBnbWFpbC5jb20+IHdyb3RlOgoKPiBTbyBk b2VzIEVQQiB0aHJvdHRsZSwgb3IgaW1wb3NlIG1heGltdW0gdHJhbnNmZXIgcXVvdGFzIHdoZW4g eW91Cj4gdXRpbGl6ZSB0aGVpciBzZXJ2aWNlIHRvIGEgbGFyZ2UgYW1vdW50PyBJJ20gb3V0IG9m IHRoZSBhcmVhIG5vdyAoSQo+IGxpdmUgaW4gbm9ydGhlcm4gVmlyZ2luaWEsIGFuZCBoYXZlIFZl cml6b24gRmlPUyBhdCBob21lKSwgYnV0IGlmIG15Cj4gZGFkIGV2ZXIgbW92ZXMgYmFjayB0byBD aGF0dGFub29nYSwgSSdtIHN0cm9uZ2x5IHJlY29tbWVuZGluZyBFUEIKPiBzZXJ2aWNlIHRvIGhp bS4KPiAKPiBJIGRpZG4ndCByZWFsaXplIHlvdSB3ZXJlIHN1Y2ggYSBiaWcgbW92ZXIgYW5kIHNo YWtlciwgQWFyb24uLi4gOikKPiAKPiBPbiBUaHUsIE9jdCA0LCAyMDEyIGF0IDk6MTYgQU0sIFRp bSBZb3VuZ2Jsb29kIDx0aW15b3VuZ2Jsb29kQGdtYWlsLmNvbT4gd3JvdGU6Cj4+IExvdmUgdG8g c2VlIGNvbXBldGl0aW9uIGZvciBFcGIgYW5kIGdsYWQgeW91IGFyZSBkcml2aW5nIHRoZSBkaXNj dXNzaW9uLiBJCj4+IGxvdmUgbWUgc29tZSBFcGIsIGJ1dCBCUyBpcyBCUyBhbmQgdGhlICdnaWcn IGlzIG1hcmtldGluZyBnb25lIHRvbyBmYXIuCj4+IAo+PiBHaXZlbiB0aGUgc2FtZSBzY2VuYXJp byBJIHdvdWxkIGhhdmUgdGFrZW4gdGhlIHNhbWUgcGF0aC4KPj4gCj4+IExldCdzIHNlZSB3aG8g ZWxzZSBwaWNrcyB1cCB0aGlzIHN0b3J5IG5hdGlvbmFsbHkuIEZvcndhcmRpbmcgbm93Lgo+IAo+ IC0tIAo+ICIgJyBXaXRoIHRoZSBmaXJzdCBsaW5rLCB0aGUgY2hhaW4gaXMgZm9yZ2VkLiBUaGUg Zmlyc3Qgc3BlZWNoCj4gY2Vuc3VyZWQsIHRoZSBmaXJzdCB0aG91Z2h0IGZvcmJpZGRlbiwgdGhl IGZpcnN0IGZyZWVkb20gZGVuaWVkLAo+IGNoYWlucyB1cyBhbGwgaXJyZXZvY2FibHkuJyBUaG9z ZSB3b3JkcyB3ZXJlIHV0dGVyZWQgYnkgSnVkZ2UgQWFyb24KPiBTYXRpZSBhcyB3aXNkb20gYW5k IHdhcm5pbmcuLi4gVGhlIGZpcnN0IHRpbWUgYW55IG1hbidzIGZyZWVkb20gaXMKPiB0cm9kZGVu IG9uIHdl4oCZcmUgYWxsIGRhbWFnZWQuIiAtIEplYW4tTHVjIFBpY2FyZCwgcXVvdGluZyBKdWRn ZSBBYXJvbgo+IFNhdGllLCBTdGFyIFRyZWs6IFRORyBlcGlzb2RlICJUaGUgRHJ1bWhlYWQiCj4g LSBBbGV4IFNtaXRoIChLNFJOVCkKPiAtIER1bGxlcyBUZWNobm9sb2d5IENvcnJpZG9yIChDaGFu dGlsbHkvQXNoYnVybi9EdWxsZXMpLCBWaXJnaW5pYSBVU0EKPiBfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXwo+IENodWdhbHVnIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdAo+IENo dWdhbHVnQGNodWdhbHVnLm9yZwo+IGh0dHA6Ly9jaHVnYWx1Zy5vcmcvY2dpLWJpbi9tYWlsbWFu L2xpc3RpbmZvL2NodWdhbHVnCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fCkNodWdhbHVnIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdApDaHVnYWx1Z0BjaHVnYWx1Zy5vcmcKaHR0 cDovL2NodWdhbHVnLm9yZy9jZ2ktYmluL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vY2h1Z2FsdWcK

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ To be clear, we offered to pay for the standard service at $300 a month and n= ever heard back from them. Guess $300 a month does not cover their $9k a mo= nth product that we did not need. -AW s about municipal broadband projects and their consequences here: viders have. EPB is not being honest. EPB has wasted taxpayer and ratepaye= r dollars on building a service that is simply not practical for widespread u= se. Those of you who actually know bandwidth consumption and measure it =E2= =80=93 this is not news to you. Unfortunately, for 99% of the customers out= there they have no idea how much bandwidth they actually need or use. It i= s a shame that the politicians in this area have been preyed upon by vendors= who see an easy sale. The politicians in turn have passed on their outrage= ous fees to the ratepayers for a network that will be eventually be matched b= y private competitors at prices far below what EPB can do. Look, EPB now ha= s $300M in borrowed money they must float. That is a big problem that is no= t going away. ursuing your business. You will need to concentrate on building without the= assistance of Government programs. In the end, you are much better off not= having to answer to clueless politicians about your business model. On Behalf Of Aaron Welch -less-chattanooga/ anooga-free-press-opini/

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Absolutely tuxing awesomemus maximus! The emperor has no clothes and you pointed it out.

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ My quote was $12k per month.. They really don't like me... ;)

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=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 They rate-limit your port but I haven't noticed any indications of "other" TE. There is not a quota that I know of, but there is some type of utilization monitoring, as a certain percentage of utilization of what you currently pay for will prompt a request/demand that you upgrade your service. This based from the SMB Best Effort el cheapo circuits. I agree they shouldn't force someone into their "professional" service without first at least turning them up on a best-effort circuit. The gamers might saturate a gig link, they might only saturate 60-70MB.... And I too have noticed a lack of understanding regarding on-net and off-net traffic and those implications and possibilities. Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlBtlEYACgkQABP1RO+tr2RlcwCcCDs4qm3DlwjHAwO8LXB745Q4 YXkAoKyxxjfeVLO3JRwINllXuw2XrJHs =lS6U -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 They have what you want.... but it will cost you $125/month per site, plus a charge at your location/interconnect. I stick with my stance that their service should be Layer 2 or below only.... Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlBtl44ACgkQABP1RO+tr2RfDACfUry2yeQY4MZpSjuxwzCJyrB7 FRIAn0/k+WW8uXDt4i639eFeWB8NlBxz =y+nu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ In direct violation of my original agreements with EPB Telecom, they went after my (Chattanooga Online's) larger customers, even the ones that were not on EPB's network. Even customers expicitly named in the agreements.. and this was long before they have fiber.. My lawyers advice was: You can't afford to fight them. My advice is: Walk carefully in the snake pit.

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ I have to agree. I have some of the lowest electricity rates in the country and the fastest Internet speed in the country. That being said, EPB needs to honor their advertised speeds/prices for all customers. Stephen Haywood Information Security Consultant W: www.averagesecurityguy.info T: @averagesecguy I do have to agree that EPB has been the best ISP I've ever had. I have the cheapest line(was 30m, now upgraded to 50m). Compared to other ISPs I've had in the past(Charter, Frontier, Comcast, etc, etc), EPB is much better. Never had the internet go down on me, and I've always been able to use the advertised speeds. Very nice to not have random lag during peak hours, be able to upload at full speed, and to always have a connection. Definitely worth the price I pay. -Ralph ] e t e

=============================================================== From: Tim Youngblood ------------------------------------------------------ I'll throw in with that. EPB residential is sooo much better than Comcast. Their customer service alone would keep me paying their rates. Stellar. The installation process was a rare act of coordination seldom seen by a corporation, forget government body. On the business side, they have tried to make hay with their marketing. Marketing is a synonym for veiling the truth and all the other providers mentioned, Comcast particularly, are just as guilty. They seriously should have seen this coming though don't we think? PB to : g] ge : nt We s , r

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=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ I would love to see this throughout the country. Infrastructure providers should be COMPLETELY separate from content providers.

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=============================================================== From: David Snyder ------------------------------------------------------ I think my key words are "...as advertised". If EPB was a transport layer only that would be great. EPB as a retail com= petitor on the other hand IS unfair competition. Since when is Government = competing with its own citizens a good thing? From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] = On Behalf Of Aaron welch Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 11:06 AM To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Chugalug] EPB articles at timesfreepress.com Metronet happend. I know because I actually built it. Bellsouth (now AT&T= again), EPB, and the city pulled the plug after there was an uproar about = unfair competition. It sucked having to pull all that gear out of the colo= s and watch it sit until it was recycled and this was 10 years ago. -AW I remember well those days. Do you recall the original 'Chattanooga Metron= et"? That is how EPB originally conned local service providers to support = their network. It was supposed to be a transport layer only for the benefi= t of all. My how the "vision" has changed. VOLstate was a "charter member= " of that project that never happened as advertised. -----Original Message----- From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org [= mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org]= On Behalf Of Mike Harrison Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:24 AM To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Chugalug] EPB articles at timesfreepress.com In direct violation of my original agreements with EPB Telecom, they went a= fter my (Chattanooga Online's) larger customers, even the ones that were no= t on EPB's network. Even customers expicitly named in the agreements.. and this was long before they have fiber.. My lawyers advice was: You can't afford to fight them. My advice is: Walk carefully in the snake pit.

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ Metronet happend. I know because I actually built it. Bellsouth (now AT&T again), EPB, and the city pulled the plug after there was an uproar about unfair competition. It sucked having to pull all that gear out of the colos and watch it sit until it was recycled and this was 10 years ago. -AW ] t

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Rod, I knew how to milk that cow (and did) and personally moved on. My ex-"partner" hung on as the cow died.. Life is good. It's fun memories, but few real regrets. Every time I have played with lawyers, the lawyers won. I didn't tell David to not work something out with them, just to be wary and walk carefully. I've made more money handling snakes (carefully) than anything else I've ever done. Dude, we ($work) are selling electricity in Nigeria and Zimbabwe and.. and.. with Linux powered systems.. (on topic!)

=============================================================== From: David Snyder ------------------------------------------------------ Mike, All is good here. The service provider I own is rolling right along (and we use MANY Linux servers). Microsoft products are fine when they are working. That is some excitement trying to coax an exchange server back into working condition. Exciting is a bad thing for a network. I prefer my "boring" Linux machines that just run and run and run. -----Original Message----- From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Harrison Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:35 PM To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Chugalug] EPB articles at timesfreepress.com Rod, I knew how to milk that cow (and did) and personally moved on. My ex-"partner" hung on as the cow died.. Life is good. It's fun memories, but few real regrets. Every time I have played with lawyers, the lawyers won. I didn't tell David to not work something out with them, just to be wary and walk carefully. I've made more money handling snakes (carefully) than anything else I've ever done. Dude, we ($work) are selling electricity in Nigeria and Zimbabwe and.. and.. with Linux powered systems.. (on topic!)

=============================================================== From: Tim Youngblood ------------------------------------------------------ The fact their set top box is Windows CE based does irk me. Could be loads better.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Knowing the back-end is also Windows make your blood boil too? :) Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlBtvKAACgkQABP1RO+tr2SU7gCgrfhi84q8TO2sZ6hSPzGVDm+y P8QAn0Kl3JCCTA+taSpfhElJBxy49ueL =I0ws -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ *cough* http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/02/gigabit-internet-for-80-the-unlikely-success-of-californias-sonicnet/ I work for Sonic.net, but what I'm about to write is gleaned from public information and articles, not from particular knowledge of the inside. I believe that it costs about $500 per driveway passed to run overhead fiber to a neighborhood, and that that means that Sonic needs a 1 in 3 households subscriber rate to make running fiber worthwhile at $80/month. There are different prices for lines with service level agreements, so, yes, businesses can get charged more, but the interconnects to other providers are nowhere near saturated. I strongly suspect that most of this kerfluffle that EPB doesn't know how to run networking. And good for Aaron for turning this into a Comcast vs EPB thing and pushing it into the press, that's the way to get vendors motivated. Dan

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ I just don't like bullies :) ----- Original Message -----

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ My response to the crap being spewed on TFP's site: So let me clear up a few things that are wrong with this article and its portrayal of the facts. #1. Iron Gaming won the $10,000 Warner Brothers digital media prize in the Gigtank Event this summer. We also receive $15,000 in seed capital that was funded by local and regional venture groups. #2. EPB valued our proposal for the "EPB Gig Gaming Center", an extension of the GigLabs project, at $50,000 per an email from Danna Bailey to me. #3. We were asking for the "Gig" only to help promote EPB in the media by visually showing and making a physical representation of what a "Gig" can do for gamers in EPB's customer base. This service would have been exclusive to EPB's customer base and have provided a way for Iron Gaming to promote our gaming league in the region. Did we NEED a gig, no. When we finally asked to pay for the service, we kept getting referred back to Danna Bailey and as of August 2 (before the end of the Gigtank Contest) we have not heard back from anyone at EPB. #4. Our relationship with Comcast has been fantastic from an Iron Labs (brick and mortar gaming store) and Iron Gaming (online gaming league) perspective. Comcast has helped open doors for us and provided a significant amount of support for our startup. #5. My only "beef" with EPB is that the people we were dealing with did not understand the technical details of what we were offering and therefor did not value what the proposal could provide them. To this day I do not hold any animosity towards EPB and will still do all that I can in supporting them and the growth of the startup community in the "Gig City". Aaron Welch President Iron Labs and Iron Gaming

=============================================================== From: James Nylen ------------------------------------------------------ So where does the $9000/month come in?

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ You know, we were never told that directly. So I find it odd when that is mentioned in the article by Danna. -AW

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ One would think that the whole idea behind Gig City was to make it clear to everyone at the EPB just what sorts of enterprises they would/could support. The value of your proposal was vetted by the competition. Your "Gig City Winner" badge should have made everyone ask you to help them understand the technical details because that's what their job will be in the near future. Like many bureaucracies (or monopolies) EPB is a conundrum. Some parts of the enterprise "get it" and see what the future could be while others are totally clueless and spend all their energy protecting their fiefdom. You ought to try pushing new ideas in the Federal Government! -Eric

=============================================================== From: David Snyder ------------------------------------------------------ Aaron, This looks to me like the "Gig City" is the "Fear City". Local Entrepreneu= rs are in fear of offending the Bureaucrats who have promised riches but ar= e delivering dust. Good luck. I really do wish you great success. You don't need Government = to do it. You need freedom. From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] = On Behalf Of Aaron welch Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 3:09 PM To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Chugalug] EPB articles at timesfreepress.com You know, we were never told that directly. So I find it odd when that is = mentioned in the article by Danna. -AW So where does the $9000/month come in? My response to the crap being spewed on TFP's site: So let me clear up a few things that are wrong with this article and its po= rtrayal of the facts. #1. Iron Gaming won the $10,000 Warner Brothers digital media prize in the= Gigtank Event this summer. We also receive $15,000 in seed capital that w= as funded by local and regional venture groups. #2. EPB valued our proposal for the "EPB Gig Gaming Center", an extension = of the GigLabs project, at $50,000 per an email from Danna Bailey to me. #3. We were asking for the "Gig" only to help promote EPB in the media by = visually showing and making a physical representation of what a "Gig" can d= o for gamers in EPB's customer base. This service would have been exclusiv= e to EPB's customer base and have provided a way for Iron Gaming to promote= our gaming league in the region. Did we NEED a gig, no. When we finally = asked to pay for the service, we kept getting referred back to Danna Bailey= and as of August 2 (before the end of the Gigtank Contest) we have not hea= rd back from anyone at EPB. #4. Our relationship with Comcast has been fantastic from an Iron Labs (br= ick and mortar gaming store) and Iron Gaming (online gaming league) perspec= tive. Comcast has helped open doors for us and provided a significant amou= nt of support for our startup. #5. My only "beef" with EPB is that the people we were dealing with did no= t understand the technical details of what we were offering and therefor di= d not value what the proposal could provide them. To this day I do not hol= d any animosity towards EPB and will still do all that I can in supporting = them and the growth of the startup community in the "Gig City". Aaron Welch President Iron Labs and Iron Gaming I just don't like bullies :) ----- Original Message -----

=============================================================== From: David Snyder ------------------------------------------------------ Aaron, I think EPB DID understand your technical details. What you were offering = was a way for EPB to attract and sign up more bandwidth hungry gamers to th= eir system. From a business perspective, I'm guessing their thinking was s= omething like: 1. Iron Gaming can really boost our signups at the "gig" level for residen= tial service. 2. Gamers are typically bandwidth hungry users and also like to use bit to= rrent. 3. Hundreds or thousands of gamers in Chattanooga running bit torrent =3D = huge losses for EPB. 4. We better tell Iron Gaming to go use someone else's bandwidth. You have a great idea and concept. Great games locally via hosted servers = all on a essentially a Gig WAN in Chattanooga. My guess is that you actual= ly found a realistic way for people to use the "gig" and the economic reali= ties to EPB scared them away. Of course, your model is also a bad headline for EPB. " EPB spends 550M of = taxpayer dollars to provide entertainment services in Chattanooga." Service providers count on a certain amount of oversubscription. For every= bandwidth hungry gamer they count on a dozen grandmas checking email. I d= on't think EPB has enough experience (after all, they ARE just government e= mployees, not entrepreneurs) at being business people. They understand gra= nts, and taxes, and electric rates. They like publicity. They hate actual= usage of the network because they can't figure out how to make money under= that model, and, frankly, I don't think the majority of EPB people actuall= y care about the necessity of profits. They can always just go back to the= FEDS and get another grant, or, alternatively, raise the electric rates to= close the gap. From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] = On Behalf Of Aaron welch Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 3:00 PM To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Chugalug] EPB articles at timesfreepress.com My response to the crap being spewed on TFP's site: So let me clear up a few things that are wrong with this article and its po= rtrayal of the facts. #1. Iron Gaming won the $10,000 Warner Brothers digital media prize in the= Gigtank Event this summer. We also receive $15,000 in seed capital that w= as funded by local and regional venture groups. #2. EPB valued our proposal for the "EPB Gig Gaming Center", an extension = of the GigLabs project, at $50,000 per an email from Danna Bailey to me. #3. We were asking for the "Gig" only to help promote EPB in the media by = visually showing and making a physical representation of what a "Gig" can d= o for gamers in EPB's customer base. This service would have been exclusiv= e to EPB's customer base and have provided a way for Iron Gaming to promote= our gaming league in the region. Did we NEED a gig, no. When we finally = asked to pay for the service, we kept getting referred back to Danna Bailey= and as of August 2 (before the end of the Gigtank Contest) we have not hea= rd back from anyone at EPB. #4. Our relationship with Comcast has been fantastic from an Iron Labs (br= ick and mortar gaming store) and Iron Gaming (online gaming league) perspec= tive. Comcast has helped open doors for us and provided a significant amou= nt of support for our startup. #5. My only "beef" with EPB is that the people we were dealing with did no= t understand the technical details of what we were offering and therefor di= d not value what the proposal could provide them. To this day I do not hol= d any animosity towards EPB and will still do all that I can in supporting = them and the growth of the startup community in the "Gig City". Aaron Welch President Iron Labs and Iron Gaming I just don't like bullies :) ----- Original Message -----

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