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Is there really a high tech shortage in the US?

From: Rod-Lists 
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There been a slurry of articles about the tech crunch or the lack of qualified candidates.
This op-ed disagrees.
http://www.globalaffairs.org/forum/threads/is-there-really-a-high-tech-shortage-in-the-us.68941/

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ In 2000 I saw this at play at Blue Cross in Chattanooga. Not only was Blue Cross able to pay programmers from India a significantly reduced rate (about 1/2), but they also locked people in for multiple years by sponsoring their visa. The other bit at play is IT management tries to actually manage the software process. So the employees are just cogs. IT management has also enjoyed being able to hire for specific skills. In other corporate, jobs are more broadly defined. If you get into regions of the country where there are economics at play beyond of saving 50% in salary and locking someone in for multiple years, selection is tougher in established firms but pay is higher. Selection can be easier in startups because they are looking more at personality and how what you bring fits in the mix. That said, there is steadily increasing demand for corporate IT flunkies. No one going to school for CompSci wants those jobs. So there's definitely a lack of candidates. -Eric -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734

=============================================================== From: David Snyder ------------------------------------------------------ From my perspective as a local employer I can tell you that it IS difficult= to find good employees. My company is small - 6 employees, so what we hav= e need of is people with a broad I.T. experience and competence. That is v= ery hard to find anymore. What I'm finding is people that have been workin= g in the same task oriented I.T. job and never grew beyond that. For examp= le, I may get a resume for a "SAN engineer". I realize that being that sp= ecialized is probably appropriate for a large corporation, but for a smalle= r company - like 95% of companies are, that kind of specialization is not v= ery useful. Another example are candidates whose only experience level is something lik= e "Windows Desktop Support". Typically that person will be really good wit= h Microsoft end-user issues but anything beyond that... not so much. For e= xample, I once interviewed a candidate (We are an ISP and ITSP) and asked t= hem how they handle a networking issue and their answer was "call the ISP".= Really? That is your answer in a job interview at an ISP? NEXT. Don'= t get me wrong, everyone starts somewhere. What I find aggravating is some= one who has been doing an entry-level tech job for more than 5 years and ha= s never bothered to upgrade their skill set. I guess there are just too ma= ny good TV shows on to bother learning a new skill. Also, for you younger set, it is NOT "I.T." skills if you are a power USER = of technology. I don't care if you know what app to download on your IPAD;= I care if you know the networking and infrastructure to make it work. Know= ing how to use an app isn't a particular valuable skill to have - most 6 y= ear olds do the same. Where are the candidates that know a little bit of everything? Where are t= he guys from the "good old days" that could work with Linux in a shell envi= ronment, work on windows servers, jump to cisco routers and properly design= and implement a maintenance schedule. Where are the RESPONSIBLE and ambit= ious people that, rather than complain about their compensation, are ambiti= ous and constantly learning and getting better at their skills? Where is t= he person that can realistically go to their boss and say "You know, I've b= een able to improve this company by implementing the following...." And fol= low up with "I think that has helped you and the company become more profit= able...". After that is established, after you case is made and proven, th= an ask for the increase in compensation. Look, I'm happy to pay what someone is worth.... But sometimes I think they= are delusional. You just aren't worth a high salary with benefits if the = only thing you can do is drag a file across a folder set over and over agai= n. You are not worth a high salary if you only work with DELL SANs. (Unle= ss you find a large company that only uses Dell SANs). You are not worth= a high salary if you know how to use an IPHONE with exchange server... inc= rease your skills and you will increase your pay. You are not worth a high= salary if you are not willing to take on responsibility for your job. In = I.T. that means being on call 24 hours and responding in a timely way to n= etwork emergencies. That means treating your co-workers and customers with= respect, it means being someone that can be depended on to get the job don= e. Finally, you have to be a good and dependable person. I recall the other d= ay I got what I considered to be the "perfect" candidate on paper. I sched= uled and confirmed the interview. I was ready to offer this person a job u= nless they bombed in the interview. They never showed up. OOOPS. They ca= lled the next day to reschedule and had some lame excuse. NO THANK YOU. I= f you can't make it to your interview please don't waste my time. Basic "s= kills" like courtesy, showing up on time, a work ethic, and a true desire = to help the company succeed will go a long way in getting higher pay and a = better job. End of rant... back to work. David From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org] = On Behalf Of Eric Wolf Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 4:51 PM To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Is there really a high tech shortage in the US? In 2000 I saw this at play at Blue Cross in Chattanooga. Not only was Blue = Cross able to pay programmers from India a significantly reduced rate (abou= t 1/2), but they also locked people in for multiple years by sponsoring the= ir visa. The other bit at play is IT management tries to actually manage th= e software process. So the employees are just cogs. IT management has also = enjoyed being able to hire for specific skills. In other corporate, jobs ar= e more broadly defined. If you get into regions of the country where there are economics at play be= yond of saving 50% in salary and locking someone in for multiple years, sel= ection is tougher in established firms but pay is higher. Selection can be = easier in startups because they are looking more at personality and how wha= t you bring fits in the mix. That said, there is steadily increasing demand for corporate IT flunkies. N= o one going to school for CompSci wants those jobs. So there's definitely a= lack of candidates. -Eric -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734 There been a slurry of articles about the tech crunch or the lack of qualif= ied candidates. This op-ed disagrees. http://www.globalaffairs.org/forum/threads/is-there-really-a-high-tech-shor= tage-in-the-us.68941/

=============================================================== From: "kitepilot@kitepilot.com" ------------------------------------------------------ Hmmmmmm... Now from the other end... I sell myself as a 'Software Developer'. And I am good developing software and writing solid code. Mostly in C++, but I can do C, bash, perl, php, java, and I've done some C#. I can navigate any windoze or *nix environment, write a GUI, server code, I can analyze a tcpdump trace, I can build a network from the hardware up (although my few brushes with 'Cisco' haven't been exactly pleasant) and I have in the past configured devices to do things that the manufacturer said could not be done. I also speak fluent Spanish, I am an excellent teacher, I have successfully and consistently trained people to snowboard, fly airplanes, gliders, hangliders, write code, do system administration, even *THINK!*. I have designed and written solid code that I have been able to cleanly expand on a moment's notice (management forgot to implement some requirements 2 weeks before delivery), I have taken on me to implement separate networks for developers to test functions without risking collision with production, and on and on and on and on... What has all that bought me? Nothing... Well, not really true, the company that I saved the ass with the 'sudden implementation of forgotten features' bought me a trip around Miami, the Caribbean and NY, but refused to cover my immigration layers (yes, I was a F#$%ING H1-B immigrant, but now I am a formal member of 'The Club') which led me to find another job eventually... Never mind that *I KNOW* that I have scared people off because I can answer with a 'yes, I can do that' to just about anything they ask me to do. I have even had hostile co-workers because I fixed issues that it-was-not-my-job-to-fix and guess what: they were better friends to the managers than I was... I'll leave the outcome to your imagination... In short, being able to wear any hat (and having worn just about every hat) hasn't really bought me a big deal in 'Corporate America', and sometimes has even worked against me. What gives? :) ET David Snyder writes:

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ @ET & @Dave I am also like ET and it is hard to find companies that want people like us. (I found that the best place for us to find a job is the startup arena, but that is not everyone's cup of tea.) The way that most job sites/boards and resumes are make it hard to sell yourself as a I can do just about anything kind of person. They also make it very hard to find someone like that. I tried selling abilities instead of skills on my resume site (www.willmwade.com), but seeking out employers like Dave is hard. @Dave, where do you advertise your positions? What has worked well in the past, etc...? On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:14 PM, kitepilot@kitepilot.com wrote:

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ As I said: "If you get into regions of the country where there are economics at play beyond of saving 50% in salary and locking someone in for multiple years, selection is tougher in established firms but pay is higher." In Boulder, County, there is demand for broadly skilled, experienced people who can think on their feet. Google, Microsoft, even old-school IBM and HP have large facilities here. But they are hyper selective. Google and Microsoft recruit heavily from India and China but they don't lower expectations or pay. "Selection can be easier in startups because they are looking more at personality and how what you bring fits in the mix. " I equate "small company" with "startup" but there does seem to be a new model of small, boutique IT companies that focus on a narrow band of problems. These companies hire based on personality fit as much tech skills. It's who you hang with... And these companies can't afford the legal overhead of sponsoring visas. So they aren't the ones complaining. The folks complaining are in traditional information industries. Insurance, banking, etc., where the "product" has always been efficient processing of information. They are complaining because they haven't read Fred Brooks' Mythical Man Month and honestly believe that if they just hire more $25K/year Java programmers, they will be able to justify their existence in the modern economy. -Eric

=============================================================== From: Tim Youngblood ------------------------------------------------------ Well said, Eric. Saved me half an hour at least.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Generic Corporate IT Flunkies are mostly janitors for data that belongs to someone else these days. They are expected to keep the day to day critical infrastructure afloat, by just following their ITIL checklist, no time for troubleshooting or $deity forbid the position actually require thought processing.... Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlBtdPEACgkQABP1RO+tr2Q6agCgjIVIueYjoLWGRpbsmNdS5Iw9 d+gAoIJPph1MolqY6qeH+yUaeOiAXY7i =RtZO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ it truly pains me to know that there are so many companies struggling to find competent, enthusiastic, friendly, and good looking employees... but there is only one Ed. Sorry I can't be everywhere at once. ----- Original Message ---- From: Rod-Lists To: Chattanooga Unix Gnu Android Linux Users Group Sent: Tue, October 2, 2012 3:33:17 PM Subject: [Chugalug] Is there really a high tech shortage in the US? There been a slurry of articles about the tech crunch or the lack of qualified candidates. This op-ed disagrees. http://www.globalaffairs.org/forum/threads/is-there-really-a-high-tech-shortage-in-the-us.68941/