Open Media Vault

From: Nick Smith 
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Anyone used it?

http://www.openmediavault.org/

How does it compare to freenas or openfiler?

Its based on debian from what i read.

In the market to switch from freenas to something else, wondering what
opinions were on this.

Thanks.

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Nick Smith
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=============================================================== From: Jason Brown ------------------------------------------------------ First I have heard of it, I have used openfiler in production at work, it... well, it works. Has it's problems. I might consider this for home use though, When I get a chance I will spin up a VM and try it out. --Jason

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ If you dont mind me asking, what problems does it have? It was top on my list to use, and i know Aaron highly recommends it. It will be used on a NAS to stream video/music, hopefully over iscsi.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You are confusing terminology.... if you want iSCSI, you want to architect a SAN, not a NAS. My problems with OpenFiler: Can't create volumes like I want in GUI, it's broken, have to do it via CLI. iSCSI MPIO has been broken, and no movement to fix or update to the new storage target. Hell, no movement really in a year and a half I believe it's been... Honestly, I'm about to hang up all the "appliance distros" and go back to using stripped down Debian net installs and carving LVM volumes out by hand. That's more difficult than setting up the iSCSI part by hand :) Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlA1eoEACgkQABP1RO+tr2RYZwCgous6gAyloIc+CVydZ5Eqcfq9 /oAAn0CWQ391nCLSMoJlSX/e/UNdAEBv =EXyV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Sorry Dave, i knew what i was talking about ;-) But yes, i just call the box my NAS cause its "Network Attached Storage" but i understand what your saying. Im not up on all the terminology, thanks for the correction. Openfiler was kinda clunky when i used it last and their latest 2.99 version is from 4/13/2011 So i guess ill give open media vault a spin, since its based on debian. Thanks for the feedback.

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Open media vault is really the next generation of FreeNAS. If I remember correctly a bunch of FreeNAS devs broke away to create open media vault because they tired of the politics around FreeNAS and wanted to switch to debian. The community is more active around open media vault as well. Haven't tried it in a while but I know a bunch of people that like it.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for that. I thought that was the case, but didn't find the info immediately on their website. There is also NAS4Free, which I believe is a direct fork of the last 7.x series of FreeNAS, still on BSD. Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlA1gswACgkQABP1RO+tr2RmiQCdHkXJ2kWceSbzvG8nRe9jO8M2 6sgAoKd3j3/gzATEpqcg/keKdwgC98MP =ieuk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: "Daniel L. Appleget" ------------------------------------------------------ I can tell you OPENFILER is good. It works, and the learning curve is low enough you will not consider suicide. -- Daniel Appleget Chattanooga Computer Service http://www.chattanoogacomputerservice.com/ 423-760-0879 Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Depends on your usage scenario. It won't do iSCSI MPIO w/o manually hacking and changing out the storage target software, which renders the GUI useless for storage target configuration or even status viewing for that matter. See aforementioned PITA with having to manually create storage volumes, could be triggered by a certain size, but seriously, if you aren't carving up at least a couple of TB these days, you'd be better off to go get a < $150 3TB USB drive. Upgrades are hit or miss as to whether or not they will hose up (coronary reminds me of RPM circa RH 3/4 days, it's RPM hell all over again) The semi-abandoned state it is currently in is what worries me the most currently. Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlA1k8MACgkQABP1RO+tr2TAQgCfX/OyRbAuQHSXhHksUVF73if/ oUMAn3u1euKBpile3VjU1aL/GtSFC6QT =073+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Jason Brown ------------------------------------------------------ I had similar problems, LVM and volume management only sometimes works. Every time I have ended up managing the volumes from the command line. Redhat / Centos based. I just don't like it. No sir, I do not. In general, the GUI is dog slow. LDAP integration was a pain and the interface is confusing, but it did eventually work. I never tried to do an in place upgrade. I like to test those first and test hardware for machines with 16 drives are hard to come by. If it was working, I left it there. Using as an iSCSI target ended up with a seriously corrupted 32TB iSCSI volume. That was a data nightmare. But I can't blame just Openfiler for that, it was probably the HFS+ formatted target that was the root issue. ---Jason

=============================================================== From: Jason Brown ------------------------------------------------------ In short, after using Openfiler a few times in production (Worked great in testing!) I determined I would not use it again and just setup the need components in Linux from scratch. It would go faster. --Jason

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ One of the main reasons I advocated some of my customers using it was the advanced replication features and to use it as a Fiber Channel front end for LSI SANs that charge around $1000 per partition (read: per host) license. Every time we deployed it into production, we had the Open Filer support people do the installation. They usually insisted on a VM installation to make support options easier, so I got VMware ESXi installed on the host and gave them access to that. I will agree that the GUI is slow as hell and that it seems to randomly hang forever on complicated volume builds. But when you look at what it can deliver for a small enterprise or a company on a budget, it cannot be beat. -AW

=============================================================== From: Jason Brown ------------------------------------------------------ I agree it does "work" and work pretty well, it just has it's drawbacks like anything else. Right now, if asked what to use for a disk array, I would still say OpenFiler. drbd and heartbeat is pretty nice. Thats something missing from openmediavault. omv does seem to have a plug-in architecture though (I like that) If the framework is good, I might even work on a replication plugin myself. --Jason

=============================================================== From: "Daniel L. Appleget" ------------------------------------------------------ Jason is suffering from Inoz2much.

=============================================================== From: Jason Brown ------------------------------------------------------ Way too much to ever be satisfied.. The phrase "ignorance is bliss" has some attractive qualities. That's why I like Scotch. --Jason

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ Inoz2little and I like scotch too... Maybe my condition is related to how much I like scotch...hmmm Phil Sieg President SeniorTech LLC / snapf=C5=8Dn=C2=AE www.snapfon.com phil.sieg@seniortechllc.com Phone: 423.535.9968 Fax: 423.265.9820 Mobile: 423.331.0725 "The computer is the most remarkable tool that we've ever come up with. = It's the equivalent of a bicycle for our minds." Steve Jobs, 1955-2011 has some attractive qualities. drawbacks like anything else. OpenFiler. openmediavault. the framework is good, I might even work on a replication plugin myself. was the advanced replication features and to use it as a Fiber Channel = front end for LSI SANs that charge around $1000 per partition (read: per = host) license. Every time we deployed it into production, we had the = Open Filer support people do the installation. They usually insisted on = a VM installation to make support options easier, so I got VMware ESXi = installed on the host and gave them access to that. I will agree that = the GUI is slow as hell and that it seems to randomly hang forever on = complicated volume builds. But when you look at what it can deliver for = a small enterprise or a company on a budget, it cannot be beat. 32TB status having to (coronary neither operational http://enigmail.mozdev.org/

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 LOL, so that's why I like Jack so much..... Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlA2PWkACgkQABP1RO+tr2ScIwCgs26n3Bdo8xZSbcRjy5GDeBOV e7QAnAzQHCaNG+th6DOaHS1KJSz8fR6S =4ZF4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" ------------------------------------------------------ My plans for a storage box revolves around ZFS, here's some cool appliances designed for storage: http://www.nexenta.org/ http://www.nexentastor.org/ http://www.napp-it.org/index