OT Google Fiber

From: trevor noblitt 
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Has anyone seen this yet? I want it. I want it now. Comcast has been
horrible and I have been meaning to switch and now I have a good reason to.

http://fiber.google.com/about/

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ Only in Kansas City. If you are in Chattanooga, you can contact EPB. Anywhere else and you're SOL. -Eric -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734

=============================================================== From: trevor noblitt ------------------------------------------------------ Yes but it's not going to stay in KC forever. And when it makes the leap I hope Chattanooga is somewhere on the list.

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Sure it might take the same leap that Google Wave did. Right off a cliff and die. Google tries alot of cool stuff but not everything they do makes it. Hey deep six alot of stuff.

=============================================================== From: Steve Keylon ------------------------------------------------------ Chattanooga brought the gig a year ago. It's just quite a bit more expensive. Google is smart enough to have done the math and calculate realistic uses of the gig. EPB prices it as if everyone is going to max it out all the time (very impractical) EPB has admitted that they don't know how to price a gig, though. ---- Steve Keylon Lamp Post Group steve.keylon@lamppostgroup.com 866-272-2057 ext. 1072

=============================================================== From: trevor noblitt ------------------------------------------------------ For me the gig is the least exciting part. The 0$/mo internet is what I find cool. I wonder how much adds they will stuff down peoples throats. I have never heard of free internet in the states before.

=============================================================== From: Sidney Hale ------------------------------------------------------ Personally, I will always pay to be rid of ads on my connection. EPB is the shit, BTW. I had my internet go out one Sunday evening, and received a phone call from EPB within 5 minutes asking to verify if my connection was down. They had a truck here fixing it within an hour after the phone call too. I have never had such good service.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 While what you say is true, and I have no proof that Google Fiber is different from any project in this respect, but *I* think Google is laying the groundwork to tell ATT/VZW/COMCAST to go fornicate themselves. Your Internet is in part as expensive as it is because certain backbone providers charge as much as they do, and prices hardly ever seem to drop, yet the infrastructure isn't being upgraded.... Sorry, didn't mean to get off on a tangent, but I think Google's real end goal with this project is to have their own backbone across the US. Don't forget Google has at least one CDN in addition to everything else. Big money is being bet on how these packets are going to be passed in the future..... and I think Google has their own side-bet that their current transport providers aren't aware of.... Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlARvewACgkQABP1RO+tr2SVkQCbBn5UTyV1SuhwyZLjAMYRrQ1+ qpMAnR0i0cf0i2MrXgIuAsb5f+7N/I3r =l8MD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: trevor noblitt ------------------------------------------------------ It's part of the master plan to take over the internet. They one the biggest search engine, the biggest video hosting site, the most popular mobile OS, and a few other things. If they want to spread Google farther the next logical step is to dominate the service to access the service. Once they blast the big ISPs out of the water they will have most of the internet under there control. That is a little scary.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Quite honestly, I hope they do succeed in some of this. And as long as they route my packets untouched, quickly and cheaply, then more power to them. Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlARyOgACgkQABP1RO+tr2STCgCgi7TWT+WaDyj/w0eItTZkS5a4 0p0An0i4jAzBAJQcQ6LNwlr8yWVgvRyh =aJ0m -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 15:42:23 -0600 Eric Wolf wrote: , Google has some deployments in Palo Alto (I know this because they're managed by Sonic.net), and there are neighborhoods in Sebastopol CA that Sonic.net has deployed fiber at, I believe, the same price as their Fusion product. I think 100Mbps is sub $50, and gig is circa $90 a month, but don't quote me. So it's not just Kansas City and Chattanooga. It's spreading. Dan

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:00:12 -0400 Dave Brockman wrote: It's also very strongly that the current ATT/Comcast/etc providers are tying Internet very heavily to TV in an attempt to own the connection. Google needs to get TV over the net if they're going to keep the current big internet providers from imposing rate limiting and bandwidth caps and other things that kill the net. I don't think Google particularly wants to be in the fiber business, but Google understands that if they don't find a way to provide connectivity, then the monopolies currently in the business will use their market position and economic leverage to damage and marginalize Google. Dan

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ GOOGLE! Y U NO Give Gbit to St Louis? Lousy 30 Mbits dial-up bs * * *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: wes ------------------------------------------------------ can we say "youtube" ? I thought we could.... -wes

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ A real gig connection, with some IP's and SLA: $12k per month. Or: 1200 100/mth hosting accounts. or 12000 10/mth hosting accounts.. or: a billion zillion pay ads.. 128k was $3k per month in 1994 from Sprint, with a class C. (255 block)

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ That might eb what the whole country I am in currently has.... I can barely SSH most of the time. 500+ms pings anywhere during the day.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ But I don't live in whatever country you are currently in. I live in UH-MERRICK-AH. And in Murkah, we don't take second place to nobody.... Except in all those things we're not first place in - like Internet speeds, for one tiny example. But the fact remains - they have Google Fiber on the other side of my state - and Chattanooga has EPB - and stuff-n-junk, and it's NOT FAIR - and I want SUPER ULTRA MEGA UBER FAST INTERNET!!!! To use another meme to express my jealousy/greed/rage..... GOOGLE! SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! http://motivpic.com/users-data/pics/1/17/shut-up-and-take-my-money-1f46.jpg *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Better copy of picture http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/264/241/9e9.gif *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 They admitted they didn't know what they were doing..... :) *ahem* Classful routing died the year before you got that, let's stop talking about it like it still happens. IIRC, the IP address I used to pull from COL would have been from Class A space anyway (first octet < 172).... unless that was the 20X something I had way back when... slept since then.... Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlAR6acACgkQABP1RO+tr2QK+wCgjNj0ZVK6MWsR7A8I2pDny+Su hBMAoJ0Pdfw88evzW9OnCDGmHVtGCD70 =h3Nw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Kewl, worth the 90 seconds it took to load from here. --Threadjacking: WTF is with Ubuntu Server installing Postfix to use /var/spool/mail and Dovecot to use Maildirs and without /etc/skel having the required directories? Yeah, I know it's easy enough to fix and I know how. But dang that is confusing when helping a guy with his first Linux server. --Threadjackinhg the threadjack: Which, regarding .bj domains.. Might be at the regional office of such things next week helping the guys here register one at the top level. It requires paperwork in person and cash it seems. I'm tossing the idea of getting one for fun, lots of obvious .bj domains are available.... --Threadjacking the threadjacking threadjack: Has anyone successfully used pfSense for throttling bandwidth in a meaningful way. Like: Per IP address on the inside of the network, or by protocol?

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ I think it scares them when -I- ask a question like that, because they know I just -might-, (1:100 odds) say: Deliver it to... and use it at a near constant 1gbps. I've had a couple of issues with all that bandwidth, I'm still trying to figure out the -legal- things I could do with it from home. As it is symetrical, I think a couple of hundred of us could redundantly serv up a shared storage cloud really really cheap. Encrypted bits of files spread over many many systems. Like Eric: My digital life fits in a relatively small amount of space. I don't store video (except a little I recorded), or much audio. 10's of thousands of photos at what was then high res.... and everything else worth storing fits on less than 500gb.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ Again does EPB service your area? I'm looking into internet service for family up in Monteagle. We don't know how good we have it here. ----- Original Message -----

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ remember netzero? ----- Original Message -----

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ This reminds me how Verizon is killing off DSL and moving it's customers to LTE. Not consumer advocates think it is the best deal for Verizon customers. ----- Original Message -----

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ ha, when I first saw the subject line, I thought Google was branching out into the health food business that will happen, sooner or later

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dovecot is usually configured to create directories as needed as mail arrives, if you are using it for LDA with Postfix, which I highly recommend. If that is not how Ubuntu is configuring it, ummm, well, sorry :) Hmmmm, we may need to talk.... I used it successfully with throttling, I had an internal subnet NATed to a specific global IP, and I used pfsense to rate-limit that connection. QoS works fairly well IME.... Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAlASjNoACgkQABP1RO+tr2RFSwCfV2XSZ7lw67E8EsW/koXLCNp+ sYAAn3rJSoj18dcXOmqrUI2m44GZsfAv =vxj3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: "M. Isaiah McGowan" ------------------------------------------------------ Is there really any question that Google and Wal Mart will be each other's biggest competitors in our lifetime...

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ They are already competitors now. http://www.walmart.com/vudu https://play.google.com/store http://googlecommerce.blogspot.com/2012/05/building-better-shopping-experience.html * * *- Chad W. Smith* On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 7:46 AM, M. Isaiah McGowan wrote:

=============================================================== From: "M. Isaiah McGowan" ------------------------------------------------------ Well, both services suck donkey balls... so... it's kind of like watching retarded kids compete to open a door...

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ +5 Funny as hell. Thanks man, I needed that. -AW On Jul 27, 2012, at 12:17 PM, "M. Isaiah McGowan" w= rote: etarded kids compete to open a door... ence.html biggest competitors in our lifetime... : nto the health food business