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Raspberry Pi - Available for order NOW

From: Chad Smith 
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http://www.alliedelec.com/lp/120626raso/

Just giving a heads up.

*- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Its been available for order for a long time Chad. I think you missed that Allied is stating a 12 week delivery date. Thats about the delivery times since all the vendors starting taking orders back in March. I have had my Pi for a while now, its pretty cool. I ordered mine the day they were taking orders a few months ago.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ They just sent me an emaill today. I knew about the order day a long time ago, but I was under the impression that it sold out in like 30 seconds. Sorry for the non-news. *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Steve Keylon ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah. It's launched before but I still haven't seen it available on their si= te.=20 Sent from my iPhone that it sold out in like 30 seconds. bout the delivery times since all the vendors starting taking orders back in= March. =20 hey were taking orders a few months ago.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ So Lynn - is it worth a buy? There are smaller HDMI computers running Android 4.0 and have things like built-in WiFi on the market now - but they are about twice the cost. But that cost may lower in the next 3 months (aka the shipping time you pointed out). *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ Got any links for those devices? -AW

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ It's a stick PC running Android 4.0 on a 1.5 Ghz Allwinner A10 Cortex A8 - supports up to 2X1080p (as in for 3D movies / games in 1080p). HDMI, MicroSD (up to 32GB) 1 full sized USB 2.0 Host slot, 1 mini-USB OTG slot, WiFI-n, 4 GB of built-in flash storage. Two models (and 2 colors per model) - the only difference is one has 512 MB of RAM, and the other has 1 GB. 512 GB model from DealExtreme for $69.99 http://dx.com/p/android-4-0-mini-pc-google-tv-player-w-wifi-allwinner-a10-cortex-a8-tf-hdmi-white-4gb-137012?item=8 1 GB model from LighTake for $79.99 http://lightake.com/detail.do/sku.MK802

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ My problem with those is for about the same price (or cheaper if you shop around) you can get an Android Tablet, and you can probably find one with an HDMI or mini-HDMI out. The sticks I linked to need power, a tablet as a built in battery. The sticks come with no inputs, the tablets have a built-in touch screen. And that brings up another problem - Android is built for touch. I actually own an Android laptop and it is too awful to use. Now, it is super underpowered and cheap and old at this point, but the fact is, using an OS built for touch without a touchscreen will cripple the experience. *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Meh, its a cool toy. The one nice thing about the Pi is the GPIO pins if you are into that sort of development. Its a nicely built device, and it runs several flavors of ARM supporting linux nicely. I got the one that has built in ethernet, so I can just hook it up to a wireless keyboard with built in trackpad and toss it behind the TV. I am thinking about bringing it to work and using it to drive a monitor to display Nagios and Solarwinds dashboards. The price is hard to beat, but the shipping times are the deal breaker. Like Chad said, there are already other cool little mini devices hitting the market that can do alot more for just a little bit more money.

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ I should also mention that the Raspberry Pi was originally designed to be sold to schools to get kids interested in hardware/software programming. Its a very simple, but durable design. I really wish they would have included a VGA chip on the thing, as it gets a bit difficult finding monitors that support HDMI. I bought an HDMI to DVI converter and it works good, but VGA can be found on pretty much anything.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ $51.00 Android Stick http://dx.com/p/mini-android-4-0-network-media-player-w-wi-fi-hdmi-usb-micro-usb-white-4gb-141172?item=2 $68.78 Android Tablet with HDMI out http://dx.com/p/7-resistive-android-2-3-tablet-pc-w-camera-wifi-hdmi-tf-arm-11-720mhz-4gb-108066?item=5 I'm not necessarily recommending any of these things - just illustrating what I'm talking about. In the case of the $51 stick - for only $16 more than the RaspberryPi, you get a case! WiFi, and a much faster (at least on paper) CPU. You do loose the MicroSD slot, but you can use USB memory. *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Mike Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Which linuxes have you tried? I've got three on order from each of the suppliers. Looking for something headless/lightweight for a couple of work projects.

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ I have tried the Fedora version (I think 16 at the time) and it didnt run so hot mainly due to some problems with the graphics drivers. FRom what I understand the newer version Fedora 17 that released a couple weeks ago is alot better, but I havent tried it yet....may try it this weekend. I also gave Debian Squeeze and Arch a try and they run great. Right now I am running Debian on it. Debian was the easiest to get going.. simply extract the iso to your sdcard, insert it into the Pi and boot. Ready to go. http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads

=============================================================== From: Benjamin Stewart ------------------------------------------------------ I tried the Fedora version, but it was painfully slow. Switched to Arch, and it's much better. Still a little slow (in X, anyway), but not so painfully so. I wish they'd get X acceleration going on the graphics chip.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ For the record - the one in my original link comes with Fedora. *- Chad W. Smith* On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Benjamin Stewart wrote:

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Are they shipping the RaspberryPi with an SDCard? There is no onboard storage for the RaspberryPi so in order for them to ship Fedora with it, they would need to bundle an SDCard.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ "Boots from SD card, running the Fedora version of Linux" * * *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ That doesn't say anything about them shipping an SDcard with it. Shoot, my RaspberryPi "Boots from SD card, Running the Fedora version of Linux" But I had to buy my own SD Card.....

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Fine. I'm not going to argue with you. I just copied and pasted what the site said. If I saw anything for sale that said something like that, i would assume the item was included unless otherwise noted. ("Runs off 4 AA batteries - not included".) *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 VGA is retired. I expect it to be difficult to find new computers and/or motherboards that support it by this time next year. http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah. So I guess the moment it dies, the hundreds of monitors I have around me at work and at home with vga will be useless. Heh.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ +2 Funny +3 Insightful *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Steve Keylon ------------------------------------------------------ PCI cards are dead yet that doesn't stop the existing PCI cards from simply v= anishing. Hell CRT itself is dead and you still have some left. Legacy will always need support, but I agree, VGA will be hard to find on ne= w motherboards in a year.=20 Sent from my iPhone nd me at work and at home with vga will be useless. Heh.

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Well I wasn't necessarily speaking of VGA on motherboards. I was saying it would have been nice to have it on the Pi since its designed for such a unique market. The thing already has a REALLY legacy video output onboard already --- RCA Video output, which has lower resolution than even S-Video. So, it outputs analog video already. If they thought to include that old of "monitors" then why did they skip VGA since there is such a huge abundance of monitors, TV's and other displays that have VGA input.

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Na, doesn't have native PXE support :( But you could prolly whip something up with gPXE mini-kernel on a small sized SD Card.

=============================================================== From: Alex Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah, I'd need to see the firmware implementation to see if it's like OpenBo= ot or OpenFirmware, SRM, whatever! -Alex Smith, Server+, Network+ Sent from my iLeash nking maybe coreboot too but they don't fully support ARM yet. :( On Behalf Of Lynn Dixon g up with gPXE mini-kernel on a small sized SD Card. redit card sized thin client. On Behalf Of Lynn Dixon ou are into that sort of development. Its a nicely built device, and it run= s several flavors of ARM supporting linux nicely. I got the one that has bui= lt in ethernet, so I can just hook it up to a wireless keyboard with built i= n trackpad and toss it behind the TV. I am thinking about bringing it to wo= rk and using it to drive a monitor to display Nagios and Solarwinds dashboar= ds. =20 ike Chad said, there are already other cool little mini devices hitting the m= arket that can do alot more for just a little bit more money. uilt-in WiFi on the market now - but they are about twice the cost. But that= cost may lower in the next 3 months (aka the shipping time you pointed out)= . rote: ite.=20 that it sold out in like 30 seconds. bout the delivery times since all the vendors starting taking orders back in= March. =20 hey were taking orders a few months ago.

=============================================================== From: Benjamin Stewart ------------------------------------------------------ I've read that the Pi uses a really weird boot loader. Apparently the GPU boots first, and loads the GPU blob and Linux on the CPU, and hands off control to it from there. Dan Lyke can probably tell us all about it, but I get the impression that there are as many ways to boot ARM chips as there are ARM chips. ] ng ] as g ds the ed n k

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ I bet Chad has more ARMs than an octopus=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Messa= ge ----=0AFrom: Benjamin Stewart =0ATo: CHUGALUG= =0ASent: Fri, July 6, 2012 9:07:00 AM=0ASubject: Re= : [Chugalug] Raspberry Pi - Available for order NOW=0A=0AI've read that the= Pi uses a really weird boot loader. Apparently the=0AGPU boots first, and = loads the GPU blob and Linux on the CPU, and=0Ahands off control to it from= there. Dan Lyke can probably tell us all=0Aabout it, but I get the impress= ion that there are as many ways to boot=0AARM chips as there are ARM chips.= =0A=0A=0AOn Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:25 AM, Alex Smith wrote:=0A> Yeah, I'd need to see the firmware implementation to see if it= 's like=0A> OpenBoot or OpenFirmware, SRM, whatever!=0A>=0A> -Alex Smith, S= erver+, Network+=0A> Sent from my iLeash=0A>=0A> On Jul 6, 2012, at 1:16, "= Matt Keys" wrote:=0A>=0A> Meh=E2=80=A6 at that point it = should just load a full kernel/os. I was thinking=0A> maybe coreboot too bu= t they don't fully support ARM yet. :(=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> From: chugalug-bounc= es@chugalug.org [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org]=0A> On Behalf Of Lyn= n Dixon=0A> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 12:26 AM=0A> To: CHUGALUG=0A> Subje= ct: Re: [Chugalug] Raspberry Pi - Available for order NOW=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> N= a, doesn't have native PXE support :( But you could prolly whip something= =0A> up with gPXE mini-kernel on a small sized SD Card.=0A>=0A> On Fri, Jul= 6, 2012 at 12:18 AM, Matt Keys wrote:=0A>=0A> Curious L= ynn, does the onboard nic support pxe/bootp? That'd be nice as a=0A> credit= card sized thin client.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> From: chugalug-bounces@chugalug.or= g [mailto:chugalug-bounces@chugalug.org]=0A> On Behalf Of Lynn Dixon=0A> Se= nt: Thursday, July 05, 2012 1:56 PM=0A> To: CHUGALUG=0A> Subject: Re: [Chug= alug] Raspberry Pi - Available for order NOW=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Meh, its a coo= l toy. The one nice thing about the Pi is the GPIO pins if=0A> you are int= o that sort of development. Its a nicely built device, and it=0A> runs sev= eral flavors of ARM supporting linux nicely. I got the one that has=0A> bui= lt in ethernet, so I can just hook it up to a wireless keyboard with=0A> bu= ilt in trackpad and toss it behind the TV. I am thinking about bringing=0A= ds=0A> dashboards.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> The price is hard to beat, but the shipp= ing times are the deal breaker.=0A> Like Chad said, there are already other= cool little mini devices hitting the=0A> market that can do alot more for = just a little bit more money.=0A>=0A> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Chad = Smith wrote:=0A>=0A> So Lynn - is it worth a buy?=0A>=0A= ngs like=0A> built-in WiFi on the market now - but they are about twice the= cost. But=0A> that cost may lower in the next 3 months (aka the shipping t= ime you pointed=0A> out).=0A>=0A>=0A> - Chad W. Smith=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> On Th= u, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Steve Keylon =0A> wr= ote:=0A>=0A> Yeah. It's launched before but I still haven't seen it availab= le on their=0A> site.=0A>=0A> Sent from my iPhone=0A>=0A>=0A> On Jul 5, 201= 2, at 1:16 PM, Chad Smith wrote:=0A>=0A> They just sent = me an emaill today.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> I knew about the order day a long time = ago, but I was under the impression=0A> that it sold out in like 30 seconds= .=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Sorry for the non-news.=0A>=0A>=0A> - Chad W. Smith=0A>= =0A>=0A>=0A> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Lynn Dixon wrote:=0A>=0A> Its been available for order for a long time Chad.=0A>=0A= . Thats=0A> about the delivery times since all the vendors starting taking= orders back=0A> in March.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> I have had my Pi for a while now= , its pretty cool. I ordered mine the day=0A> they were taking orders a few= months ago.=0A>=0A> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Chad Smith wrote:=0A>=0A> http://www.alliedelec.com/lp/120626raso/=0A>=0A>=0A= =0A>=0A>

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Yep - I guess I do. 1. iPad 1 2. iPod Touch 4G 3. Acer Iconia Tab A100 4. Augen Genbook 108 5. Nintendo DS Lite 6. Nintendo DSi 7. Nintendo 3DS 8. Nintendo GameBoy Micro 9. Nook Color *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Forgot the HP Touchpad as well. Probably some more if I really thought about it. *- Chad W. Smith*