OT:Black Box Voting releases TN Election code

From: Rod-Lists 
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Those of you who don't follow Bev Harris' Black Voting should.

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"I have found and posted the actual voter list software used widely through=
out the USA (TN, WI, PA, CO, KS...) for Accenture voter registration and vo=
ter histories. I located the files on a magnetic backup tape of the hard dr=
ive of a county elections IT employee, part of a 120-gig set of discovery f=
iles. The Accenture voter registration / voter history software is highly p=
roblematic, and has been reported switching voter parties in Colorado, and =
losing voter histories in Tennessee. Although it is now widely known that A=
ccenture voter list software gets it wrong, just WHY the program misreports=
 voter information so often has never been explained. I am hoping that by r=
eleasing this software to the public, it may shed light on what's really go=
ing on with our voter registration systems. I also posted a Tennessee file =
with work orders and release notes which shows the Accenture software has a=
 history of tripling votes in certain ('random') voter histories, going bac=
k to 2004. Except it is not random: Other files I discovered prove it is wi=
th primarily suburban Republican precincts that votes are somehow being rec=
orded twice and sometimes three times for certain voters in the voter histo=
ry report, and this didn't just happen in 2004; it also happened in the 200=
8 presidential primary and in May and August 2010, and according to electio=
n commission notes in Shelby County, also in the 2012 presidential primary.=
 Computer buffs, have at it. Much source code exists within the structure b=
ecause it is built on MS Access. I do not read source code, though I can se=
e some structural problems with the software (for example, it allows politi=
cal party ID to be set differently from one precinct to another)."

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=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ I am not sure I will ever believe another election result again...

=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ +1

=============================================================== From: Tim Youngblood ------------------------------------------------------ This is the sort of thing you see all the time in government. The truth is that there is not a competitive process, just the appearance of one while the political connections are made good.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ To be fair, how many folk in the private sector would do the same? Let's face it most office folk in the private sector use access or god forbid excel as the database of first choice. It is a select few, amongst your generic office types, who even know about real databases. ----- Tim Youngblood wrote:

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ I agree completely with this, except you generally don't have office types programming the backbone of democracy or at least shouldn't. I think Excel is better than Access as a place to store data. Access is so susceptible to corruption (or perhaps that is why it was the db of choice...).

=============================================================== From: Tim Youngblood ------------------------------------------------------ The difference being that in the private sector, if you screw up with data you lose customers and go out of business. It is called a market, and the government is called a bureaucracy for a reason. But hey, it works well in China, right?

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ While I find Excel, or LibreOffice or OpenOffice's spreadsheet an absolutely amazing incredible tool. I am dismayed by how much "workflow" and "accounting" I see done in spreadsheets, at major corporations, handling many millions of dollars of business. What is really fun is demonstrating the fallacies in their logic and assumptions as you convert them to a more relational, single source for crucial information business process.

=============================================================== From: Tim Youngblood ------------------------------------------------------ Agreed. It is a common characteristic of our projects. We call it 'excel hell.'

=============================================================== From: gary hasty ------------------------------------------------------ Funny man. Don't you know that the larger the company the more different versions of data in "my spreadsheet work of art" exist. I'm constantly in awe of what's done by xls...ok awe may not be the right word...terrified may be better.

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ I'm not sure whats more dangerous... giving a loaded gun to a 5 year old, or showing someone on the "business side" how to connect their ms-access frontend to your relational db backend, lol ----- Original Message ---- From: Mike Harrison To: CHUGALUG Sent: Fri, June 22, 2012 8:20:10 AM Subject: Re: [Chugalug] OT:Black Box Voting releases TN Election code While I find Excel, or LibreOffice or OpenOffice's spreadsheet an absolutely amazing incredible tool. I am dismayed by how much "workflow" and "accounting" I see done in spreadsheets, at major corporations, handling many millions of dollars of business. What is really fun is demonstrating the fallacies in their logic and assumptions as you convert them to a more relational, single source for crucial information business process.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ problem is these are often outside contractors. Not Gov IT. Go ahead ahead and ask ed how much MS lobbys Local gov IT. There was a case in Alaska where the Gov wanted to do a recount but was told by their voting machine vendor as it would be detrimental to the firms IP. That is just wrong. Code running these things should open source and subject to review. ----- Tim Youngblood wrote:

=============================================================== From: "Daniel L. Appleget" ------------------------------------------------------ Great post R. I am aware of may procedure/process problems with the local election commission but, I do not intend to publish them as it could provide solid ideas to someone wanting to rig a close election. Is there an open source solution available? -- Daniel Appleget Chattanooga Computer Service http://www.chattanoogacomputerservice.com/ 423-760-0879 Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito

=============================================================== From: "Daniel L. Appleget" ------------------------------------------------------ Accenture software for voter registration http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7372424/Accenture

=============================================================== From: Jason Brown ------------------------------------------------------ Never trust anything built by Accenture.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ could you elaborate? ----- Jason Brown wrote:

=============================================================== From: Jason Brown ------------------------------------------------------ Still working with them as they are the manpower for one of our major clients. From my experience: Everything is outsourced to India, Pakistan, Poland. 1 in 100 employees I have worked with have a clue at all. Turnover is very high, There has been a new leader every 4 months, etc. Google "accenture disaster" or "accenture horror story". There are a lot of stories out there. One of the major ones was the London Stock Market technical failure. Not really a Microsoft issue, but an Accenture issue: http://blogs.computerworld.com/london

=============================================================== From: Billy ------------------------------------------------------ Several software packages that are used by a couple of unnamed large cable c= ompanies were created by Accenture. In every case I'm aware, the code was ei= ther completely rewritten in a next version by the in house staff, or for po= litical reasons the system was wrapped by another system to insulate from it= being so unstable. In one project that I am casually familiar with, the Accenture developers us= ed the "try catch ignore" anti-pattern, so it's neigh impossible to troubles= hot issues. They also hand coded configuration frameworks that could have ea= sily been implemented by using other libraries - many of those open source. T= his of course introduced other bugs...=20 Sent from my iPhone nts. ave worked with have a clue at all. Turnover is very high, There has been a n= ew leader every 4 months, etc. f stories out there. eally a Microsoft issue, but an Accenture issue: http://blogs.computerworld.= com/london