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My Android recycling project... Google voice home phone with unlimited free calling.

From: Phil Sieg 
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Ok so most of you know that I am an APPLE fanboy, but I am also a =
hardware geek.... Especially really cheap good hardware.

I wanted a free home phone with unlimited calling/long distance, and I =
felt that as a geek this should be do-able, possible without breaking =
any laws ;-)

So it turns out that there is a plethora of old sprint and verizon =
android devices out there on ebay and craigslist for dirt cheap. So I =
picked up a Droid X (motorola) for $65, big beautiful 4.3 inch screen, =
only thing it lacks is a front facing camera.

Old CDMA devices (sprint and verizon phones) are essentially useless and =
have no resale market in the rest of the world unlike GSM devices (ATT, =
Tmobile), so they are VERY cheap on ebay, and there are thousands =
available, making them cheaper every day. For my needs the cellular =
radio is not needed as it will live out its life as a Wifi device.

I got my phone, rooted it and started playing. My first thought was to =
use SIP, which is built in to the native dialer on android 2.3 and up, =
so that it would operate  just as it did on cellular without having to =
use a 3rd party app/dialer. This was fairly simple, and very successful, =
but not free. I got a free incoming DID from ipKall, but outgoing =
required me to buy minutes/credit from somebody(voipbuster was my =
choice) at a rate of 1-2 cents a minute. NOT FREE! So this was =
essentially a fail.

Then I started thinking about Google Voice (I was always thinking about =
it but had hit several dead ends), and found an app that lets you make =
outgoing GV calls without a working phone (GV is in actuality a callback =
service that would "ring" your cellular number once a call is connected) =
the app is Groove IP (paid version 4.99) and it lets you make GV call =
direct without ring-back. It also integrates with the native dialer. =
Just enable "google chat" in your GV settings and all of your incoming =
voice and SMS traffic will ring directly to your android device. You can =
even text out to mobile phones from your gv app in android.

So now I have unlimited free calling to USA and Canada, unlimited free =
texts, VERY cheap international long distance, and it all works =
seamlessly. Voice quality is top notch.

Last night I added "Radio Thermostat" to control my two wifi home =
thermostats from the phone, I added a remote app that controls my 2 =
HTPC's. I have a monitoring app that lets me check my IP cams at hone =
and the office, and the huge screen makes it a fantastic ebook reader =
for home.

With the cellular radio off and only wifi enabled, I can get about 2-3 =
days of standby/use, which isn't so bad. Would love to get this to 5-6 =
days.

I spent $15 for a really tough case, so I can beat the phone up without =
fear, and about $15 on apps so far.

So for $100 or so I have the freaking ultimate home =
phone/remote/appliance. Looking for other cool things to implement.

I will say that Android is FAR easier to customize than iOS, but I still =
prefer my iPhone for most tasks.

Phil Sieg
President
SeniorTech LLC / snapf=C5=8Dn=C2=AE
www.snapfon.com

Phone: 423.535.9968
Fax: 423.265.9820
Mobile: 423.331.0725

"The computer is the most remarkable tool that we've ever come up with. =
It's the equivalent of a bicycle for our minds."

Steve Jobs, 1955-2011




=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ iPod Touch, 4th Generation + free Talkatone app + Free Google Voice account + WiFi =3D same thing. No hacking, rooting, or coding required. *- Chad W. Smith** * e d e t -2 t nd y. s. ys.

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I went with the Obi 110, connects seamlessly with GV and you can back feed it to use your existing phone cabling in your house so it rings your existing phones. Doesnt have all the bells and whistles of your setup, but for $50 it was worth it to have free home phone service. http://www.amazon.com/OBi110-Service-Bridge-Telephone-Adapter/dp/B0045RMEPI e lt d le, ded e t 3rd ee. t ing hat e y. s. ys e. =C2=A0It's

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ No 4.3 screen. No built in earpiece. MORE than $100 Chad, iPod was the FIRST thought I had. Old iPhone was the second. My solution, much better and cheaper. Phil Sieg President SeniorTech LLC / snapf=C5=8Dn=C2=AE www.snapfon.com Phone: 423.535.9968 Fax: 423.265.9820 Mobile: 423.331.0725 "The computer is the most remarkable tool that we've ever come up with. = It's the equivalent of a bicycle for our minds." Steve Jobs, 1955-2011 account + WiFi =3D same thing. No hacking, rooting, or coding required. wrote: hardware geek.... Especially really cheap good hardware. felt that as a geek this should be do-able, possible without breaking = any laws ;-) android devices out there on ebay and craigslist for dirt cheap. So I = picked up a Droid X (motorola) for $65, big beautiful 4.3 inch screen, = only thing it lacks is a front facing camera. and have no resale market in the rest of the world unlike GSM devices = (ATT, Tmobile), so they are VERY cheap on ebay, and there are thousands = available, making them cheaper every day. For my needs the cellular = radio is not needed as it will live out its life as a Wifi device. use SIP, which is built in to the native dialer on android 2.3 and up, = so that it would operate just as it did on cellular without having to = use a 3rd party app/dialer. This was fairly simple, and very successful, = but not free. I got a free incoming DID from ipKall, but outgoing = required me to buy minutes/credit from somebody(voipbuster was my = choice) at a rate of 1-2 cents a minute. NOT FREE! So this was = essentially a fail. about it but had hit several dead ends), and found an app that lets you = make outgoing GV calls without a working phone (GV is in actuality a = callback service that would "ring" your cellular number once a call is = connected) the app is Groove IP (paid version 4.99) and it lets you make = GV call direct without ring-back. It also integrates with the native = dialer. Just enable "google chat" in your GV settings and all of your = incoming voice and SMS traffic will ring directly to your android = device. You can even text out to mobile phones from your gv app in = android. texts, VERY cheap international long distance, and it all works = seamlessly. Voice quality is top notch. thermostats from the phone, I added a remote app that controls my 2 = HTPC's. I have a monitoring app that lets me check my IP cams at hone = and the office, and the huge screen makes it a fantastic ebook reader = for home. days of standby/use, which isn't so bad. Would love to get this to 5-6 = days. without fear, and about $15 on apps so far. phone/remote/appliance. Looking for other cool things to implement. still prefer my iPhone for most tasks. with. It's the equivalent of a bicycle for our minds."

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ It has a speaker and a microphone. But you are right, it's not the same as a phone. More like a speakerphone (although you can use a BT or normal headphones). Can't argue with smaller screen. The price isn't much more than $100. Especially if you are going used. AND, it has a front facing camera. *- Chad W. Smith* y nly o o a ot 1-2 t and ly. 's. ays.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Oh - and that smaller screen has a much higher resolution. :P *- Chad W. Smith** * l ny only d io so a not o 1-2 k ) st and t sly. C's. days. l

=============================================================== From: Tim Youngblood ------------------------------------------------------ Frickin' sweet. Thanks for sharing this experience Phil. al . : any only (ATT, dio so e a not to f 1-2 t ck d) ust e and xt ssly. PC's. . days. t

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ It has encouraged me to check out the used Android smartphone market. Even though I already own 2 Android tablets, (one FroYo and one ICS), a Nook Color, an Android netbook (useless), an HP Touchpad, an iPad, an iPod Touch, a Nokia N900, a PSP, a DS Lite, a DSi, a 3DS, a Dingoo... omg, someone HELP ME!* * *- Chad W. Smith** * On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Tim Youngblood w= rote: e mal : d. : I any , only (ATT, adio o , so se a t not to of 1-2 ou s ake GV ler. g can e essly. TPC's. e. 3 6 days.

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ Some of the prepaid cell networks are good sources of current/recent gen Android phones without the steep markup of a fully unlocked device. I currently have a Samsung Transform Ultra on Boost that cost $199. I can use their 3G network for $2/day. It is running a slightly crippled Android 2.3.4 (wifi hotspot is disabled). I haven't figured out how to make the phone work on wifi-only either; which is key to leveraging the $2/day plan. I know Boost had another Samsung Android device for $99. Kroger Grocery stores sell an Android device on their own branded network for $79. BTW, I find that Google Voice significantly degrades the quality of my voice connections. Oddly, I can hear the caller perfectly but I regularly get complaints about how I sound. -Eric -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734 d or : ed. e: ing any I n, only s (ATT, radio d up, to use but ed me ate of you is make GV aler. ng can HTPC's. e me. to 5-6

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ Chad likes to pay to change his oil phil. ----- Phil Sieg wrote: t's the equivalent of a bicycle for our minds." ount + WiFi =3D same thing. No hacking, rooting, or coding required. : are geek.... Especially really cheap good hardware. felt that as a geek this should be do-able, possible without breaking any l= aws ;-) oid devices out there on ebay and craigslist for dirt cheap. So I picked up= a Droid X (motorola) for $65, big beautiful 4.3 inch screen, only thing it= lacks is a front facing camera. d have no resale market in the rest of the world unlike GSM devices (ATT, T= mobile), so they are VERY cheap on ebay, and there are thousands available,= making them cheaper every day. For my needs the cellular radio is not need= ed as it will live out its life as a Wifi device. use SIP, which is built in to the native dialer on android 2.3 and up, so t= hat it would operate just as it did on cellular without having to use a 3r= d party app/dialer. This was fairly simple, and very successful, but not fr= ee. I got a free incoming DID from ipKall, but outgoing required me to buy = minutes/credit from somebody(voipbuster was my choice) at a rate of 1-2 cen= ts a minute. NOT FREE! So this was essentially a fail. it but had hit several dead ends), and found an app that lets you make out= going GV calls without a working phone (GV is in actuality a callback servi= ce that would "ring" your cellular number once a call is connected) the app= is Groove IP (paid version 4.99) and it lets you make GV call direct witho= ut ring-back. It also integrates with the native dialer. Just enable "googl= e chat" in your GV settings and all of your incoming voice and SMS traffic = will ring directly to your android device. You can even text out to mobile = phones from your gv app in android. texts, VERY cheap international long distance, and it all works seamlessly.= Voice quality is top notch. ostats from the phone, I added a remote app that controls my 2 HTPC's. I ha= ve a monitoring app that lets me check my IP cams at hone and the office, a= nd the huge screen makes it a fantastic ebook reader for home. days of standby/use, which isn't so bad. Would love to get this to 5-6 days= . fear, and about $15 on apps so far. nce. Looking for other cool things to implement. l prefer my iPhone for most tasks. It's the equivalent of a bicycle for our minds."

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ What happens if Google ends free calls in 2012? ----- Phil Sieg wrote: e geek.... Especially really cheap good hardware. lt that as a geek this should be do-able, possible without breaking any law= s ;-) d devices out there on ebay and craigslist for dirt cheap. So I picked up a= Droid X (motorola) for $65, big beautiful 4.3 inch screen, only thing it l= acks is a front facing camera. have no resale market in the rest of the world unlike GSM devices (ATT, Tmo= bile), so they are VERY cheap on ebay, and there are thousands available, m= aking them cheaper every day. For my needs the cellular radio is not needed= as it will live out its life as a Wifi device. e SIP, which is built in to the native dialer on android 2.3 and up, so tha= t it would operate just as it did on cellular without having to use a 3rd = party app/dialer. This was fairly simple, and very successful, but not free= . I got a free incoming DID from ipKall, but outgoing required me to buy mi= nutes/credit from somebody(voipbuster was my choice) at a rate of 1-2 cents= a minute. NOT FREE! So this was essentially a fail. t but had hit several dead ends), and found an app that lets you make outgo= ing GV calls without a working phone (GV is in actuality a callback service= that would "ring" your cellular number once a call is connected) the app i= s Groove IP (paid version 4.99) and it lets you make GV call direct without= ring-back. It also integrates with the native dialer. Just enable "google = chat" in your GV settings and all of your incoming voice and SMS traffic wi= ll ring directly to your android device. You can even text out to mobile ph= ones from your gv app in android. xts, VERY cheap international long distance, and it all works seamlessly. V= oice quality is top notch. tats from the phone, I added a remote app that controls my 2 HTPC's. I have= a monitoring app that lets me check my IP cams at hone and the office, and= the huge screen makes it a fantastic ebook reader for home. ys of standby/use, which isn't so bad. Would love to get this to 5-6 days. ear, and about $15 on apps so far. e. Looking for other cool things to implement. prefer my iPhone for most tasks. t's the equivalent of a bicycle for our minds."

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ $30 a year for unlimited calls through skype wasnt a bad deal, if they dont stay free hopefully they will do something like that. re geek.... Especially really cheap good hardware. elt that as a geek this should be do-able, possible without breaking any la= ws ;-) id devices out there on ebay and craigslist for dirt cheap. So I picked up = a Droid X (motorola) for $65, big beautiful 4.3 inch screen, only thing it = lacks is a front facing camera. have no resale market in the rest of the world unlike GSM devices (ATT, Tm= obile), so they are VERY cheap on ebay, and there are thousands available, = making them cheaper every day. For my needs the cellular radio is not neede= d as it will live out its life as a Wifi device. se SIP, which is built in to the native dialer on android 2.3 and up, so th= at it would operate =C2=A0just as it did on cellular without having to use = a 3rd party app/dialer. This was fairly simple, and very successful, but no= t free. I got a free incoming DID from ipKall, but outgoing required me to = buy minutes/credit from somebody(voipbuster was my choice) at a rate of 1-2= cents a minute. NOT FREE! So this was essentially a fail. it but had hit several dead ends), and found an app that lets you make outg= oing GV calls without a working phone (GV is in actuality a callback servic= e that would "ring" your cellular number once a call is connected) the app = is Groove IP (paid version 4.99) and it lets you make GV call direct withou= t ring-back. It also integrates with the native dialer. Just enable "google= chat" in your GV settings and all of your incoming voice and SMS traffic w= ill ring directly to your android device. You can even text out to mobile p= hones from your gv app in android. exts, VERY cheap international long distance, and it all works seamlessly. = Voice quality is top notch. stats from the phone, I added a remote app that controls my 2 HTPC's. I hav= e a monitoring app that lets me check my IP cams at hone and the office, an= d the huge screen makes it a fantastic ebook reader for home. ays of standby/use, which isn't so bad. Would love to get this to 5-6 days. fear, and about $15 on apps so far. ce. Looking for other cool things to implement. prefer my iPhone for most tasks. It's the equivalent of a bicycle for our minds."

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I don't *like* to pay for oil changes - but I like it more than changing it myself. *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Well - everyone ignored my cries for help. Now I own a Verizon Palm Pixi Plus with webOS. Now I just have to activate the device without a plan.... *- Chad W. Smith** * d or : ed. e: ing any I n, only s (ATT, radio d up, to use but ed me ate of you is make GV aler. ng can HTPC's. e me. to 5-6

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ So, yeah, good news.... I got it all activated and running and everything. Bad news - there's no way to use Google Voice without using the phone on this thing. Well, I guess I got a super mini webOS tablet / media player / camera / internet radio / etc. device for $26. Can't complain about that. *- Chad W. Smith* od or . e: red. te: d king any I en, only s es (ATT, radio nd up, to use , but red me rate of you a is make GV ialer. ing u can s HTPC's. he ome. to 5-6

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ Chad, I thought I was posting about how to do this on ANDROID. I am not = surprised that it can't be done on WebOS. On a side note I picked up a 5" Galaxy player (essentially a Galaxy Note = phone sans the cellular radio, but still with the phone earpiece) for = $169 refurb from Tiger direct. I LOVE this thing. It is big enough to be = a great game platform as well as killer e-reder, home remote, free home = phone etc... It even has stereo speakers built in that play loud, and = sound fairly good. Kicks ass with PlayOn and Netflix. Battery life is = good, similar to iPad if you manage it well (why can't the android = developers spend more time on power management so that I don't have to = actively manage my device for optimum results). Unfortunately there are = limited accessories for it, no Keyboard cases to turn it into a kickin = mini-laptop replacement. Gonna try a small bluetooth keyboard. Seriously the Samsung Galaxy Player 5.0 is some serious goodness for = $170. I am kinda hard to please on hardware, and this thing pleases me. Phil Sieg President SeniorTech LLC / snapf=C5=8Dn=C2=AE www.snapfon.com Phone: 423.535.9968 Fax: 423.265.9820 Mobile: 423.331.0725 "The computer is the most remarkable tool that we've ever come up with. = It's the equivalent of a bicycle for our minds." Steve Jobs, 1955-2011 everything. Bad news - there's no way to use Google Voice without using = the phone on this thing. / internet radio / etc. device for $26. Can't complain about that. =20 activate the device without a plan.... a Nook Color, an Android netbook (useless), an HP Touchpad, an iPad, an = iPod Touch, a Nokia N900, a PSP, a DS Lite, a DSi, a 3DS, a Dingoo... = omg, someone HELP ME! wrote: same as a phone. More like a speakerphone (although you can use a BT or = normal headphones). Especially if you are going used. wrote: with. It's the equivalent of a bicycle for our minds." account + WiFi =3D same thing. No hacking, rooting, or coding required. wrote: hardware geek.... Especially really cheap good hardware. I felt that as a geek this should be do-able, possible without breaking = any laws ;-) android devices out there on ebay and craigslist for dirt cheap. So I = picked up a Droid X (motorola) for $65, big beautiful 4.3 inch screen, = only thing it lacks is a front facing camera. and have no resale market in the rest of the world unlike GSM devices = (ATT, Tmobile), so they are VERY cheap on ebay, and there are thousands = available, making them cheaper every day. For my needs the cellular = radio is not needed as it will live out its life as a Wifi device. to use SIP, which is built in to the native dialer on android 2.3 and = up, so that it would operate just as it did on cellular without having = to use a 3rd party app/dialer. This was fairly simple, and very = successful, but not free. I got a free incoming DID from ipKall, but = outgoing required me to buy minutes/credit from somebody(voipbuster was = my choice) at a rate of 1-2 cents a minute. NOT FREE! So this was = essentially a fail. about it but had hit several dead ends), and found an app that lets you = make outgoing GV calls without a working phone (GV is in actuality a = callback service that would "ring" your cellular number once a call is = connected) the app is Groove IP (paid version 4.99) and it lets you make = GV call direct without ring-back. It also integrates with the native = dialer. Just enable "google chat" in your GV settings and all of your = incoming voice and SMS traffic will ring directly to your android = device. You can even text out to mobile phones from your gv app in = android. free texts, VERY cheap international long distance, and it all works = seamlessly. Voice quality is top notch. thermostats from the phone, I added a remote app that controls my 2 = HTPC's. I have a monitoring app that lets me check my IP cams at hone = and the office, and the huge screen makes it a fantastic ebook reader = for home. 2-3 days of standby/use, which isn't so bad. Would love to get this to = 5-6 days. without fear, and about $15 on apps so far. phone/remote/appliance. Looking for other cool things to implement. still prefer my iPhone for most tasks. with. It's the equivalent of a bicycle for our minds."

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ You were and I offered alternatives. fact is, like I already stated, I have an android tablet. well two to be honest. but your email inspired me to check out the used smartphone market and the Palm Pixi was there best deal I found. I thought with the homebrew scene there would be a way. Maybe after webOS goes open source it will... I have an Acer Iconia Tab A100 - which I love. you cab get them on eBay refurb for $169 pretty often. bluetooth, wifi, HDMI, microSD, GPS, ice cream sandwich, capacitive multi-touch, ... I love this thing. Does that help it be more on topic for your taste? oh it can do Skype and Google voice.... ;) On Jun 3, 2012 2:13 PM, "Phil Sieg" wrote: 9 at ge es t. . . * Pod : T or te: ired. ote: breaking o I een, only GSM are he i device. s and up, g to use l, but ired me rate of s you a l is u make GV dialer. ming ou can ks 2 HTPC's. the home. s to 5-6 .