large storage for home business

From: Gary Hasty 
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So what's your fav/cheap storage these days for a friend of mine  
(photographer) needing >6tb, plays well with macs, and since she lives  
in PA easy for me to walk her thru any issues over facetime?

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Gary Hasty
"The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt  
Disney




=============================================================== From: Meds Mail ------------------------------------------------------ Im a photographer and have several Magazines .. that require NEF or RAW = files to store..... and I use a program on the mac.. named CDFinder.... = and I use SATA drives....12 of them so far 3tb each for storage.... and = I use them in a USB Thermolake Reader and just swap drives..... the = search brings up what drive that file is on.... and I have them indexed = so I can just that one.....and find the file .... I also have a Blade = server with RAID 5 for current stuff..... Med Dement (photographer) needing >6tb, plays well with macs, and since she lives = in PA easy for me to walk her thru any issues over facetime? Disney

=============================================================== From: Gary Hasty ------------------------------------------------------ That's actually what she's doing now but she's wanting to start backing up to the cloud so her assistance can also use as well as keeping everything live at home if possible

=============================================================== From: Meds Mail ------------------------------------------------------ HUM>>. big cloud..... Im sure Apple would make that happen as well as = others.. but at the pocket book price... RAW files to store..... and I use a program on the mac.. named = CDFinder.... and I use SATA drives....12 of them so far 3tb each for = storage.... and I use them in a USB Thermolake Reader and just swap = drives..... the search brings up what drive that file is on.... and I = have them indexed so I can just that one.....and find the file .... I = also have a Blade server with RAID 5 for current stuff..... (photographer) needing >6tb, plays well with macs, and since she lives = in PA easy for me to walk her thru any issues over facetime? Disney

=============================================================== From: Gary Hasty ------------------------------------------------------ She was actually looking at using Crashplan (unlimited Pro version around $200/year)

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ I would suggest Amazon S3, but it would get pricey for 6TB of data. Backing up that much data to any cloud is going to be expensive. Hell, it may be cheaper to install a tape drive and have her dump to LTO5's and then off-site them. Hehehe.

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ Bitcasa is in beta. It's based on an "infinite" plan. Generally, I've found there is an arbitrary line drawn between services meant for cloud storage and sharing versus cloud backup. The storage provides, like Dropbox, Box.com, SugarSync, IDrive, etc., get prohibitively expensive for mulitple TBs of storage. The cloud backup companies fairly regularly offer unlimited storage at a decent price but I'm not sure what it's like retrieving individual files. Mozy offers a "Pro" plan that provides networked drive simulation. I can't find prices on their site any more. Hmm.... CrashPlan now offers cloud storage as well as backup (they call it "real time"). I can't determine how well it does file sharing.Their "unlimited storage, 2-10 computers" plan is $120 a year. That's pretty damned good considering 50GB of DropBox for a year with their versioning costs $139. CrashPlan has two other significant features: 1. They have clients for Windows, Mac, Linux AND Solaris (WTF?) 2. They have a "seeded" backup service where they'll send you hard drive to fill and you send it back. "Never under-estimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of backup tapes." 2.5 They do the same thing for restores - they'll overnight you a hard drive to restore from if needed. -Eric -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734

=============================================================== From: Gary Hasty ------------------------------------------------------ I've been using crashplan at home for a little over a year simply because I have Windows, Linux & Macs and the client works great across those 3. I've got around 4 tb's up there now haven't tried the "real time" yet but will give that a look also... and like you said, the price was nice with crashplan over the others.

=============================================================== From: Sean Brewer ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah. S3 reduced redundancy storage, by itself, is over $500 a month.

=============================================================== From: Sean Brewer ------------------------------------------------------ Oops, I meant over $500 a month for 6 TB of storage.

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.drobo.com might be worth considering. Want offsite storage? Buy a shuttle (1-2tb drive) and store another at a trusted friends house.

=============================================================== From: Meds Mail ------------------------------------------------------ will buy a lot of drives........ (photographer) needing >6tb, plays well with macs, and since she lives = in PA easy for me to walk her thru any issues over facetime?

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ I have all kinds of options for this. Cheap way is a 12-slot chassis with W= D Green drives in RAID with ZFS. Best way is enterprise SATA drives a SAS/S= ATA RAID controller using 3U 16-slot SAS expanders. Drobo's are neat, until= they fail. -AW rapher) needing >6tb, plays well with macs, and since she lives in PA easy f= or me to walk her thru any issues over facetime?

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah, but I think she was wanting to off-site the data to a "cloud" (I hate that term) solution. If she is wanting offsite, and online access, someone could take Aarons hardware suggestions, co-locate it and setup a cool webdav or simple FTP solution for her.

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ I've been playing with PogoPlug more. I just built a new server with 5TB of disk space. My workstation now only has SSDs. I'm trying to move all the spinny drives onto the LAN. PogoPlug lets me expose as much of that 5TB as I want over the 'net with syncing and everything. Of course, it's all on-site storage. -Eric -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ I should have added: I wouldn't recommend using WD green drives in a hardware raid, unless you can configure the time-out for drive rejections. The newer WD green drives are absolutely horrible in hardware raids since you can no longer enable TLER and they can sometimes go offline for up to 5 minutes to repair a bad sector. By that time, the controller has assumed the drive is dead and rejects it from the array. Thats the reason I have 3 2TB WD greens for sale right now. Used to, you could enable TLER on these drives....but WD has took that out of the firmware.

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ I have 6 new pogoplugs if she wants one of those cheap. -AW f disk space. My workstation now only has SSDs. I'm trying to move all the s= pinny drives onto the LAN. PogoPlug lets me expose as much of that 5TB as I w= ant over the 'net with syncing and everything. Of course, it's all on-site s= torage. =3D- : WD Green drives in RAID with ZFS. Best way is enterprise SATA drives a SAS= /SATA RAID controller using 3U 16-slot SAS expanders. Drobo's are neat, unt= il they fail. ographer) needing >6tb, plays well with macs, and since she lives in PA easy= for me to walk her thru any issues over facetime?

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ I wonder if there's a way to build a PogoPlug-like network across our cumulative resources in CHUGALUG? Have redundancy, off-site, etc. The biggest issue is local bandwidth, which for you guys on EPB is not a problem... This is starting to sound like a GigCity startup idea... -Eric -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ I have 20meg circuit in my Knoxville datacenter co-lo :) Combine this with the "Darknet" idea that was floating around and it would be awesome!!!

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ That is why they are in a ZFS RAID. I have seen weirdness happen when they a= re used with true RAID controllers. ZFS is alot more tolerant to cheap hard= ware faults than a RAID controller. -AW an configure the time-out for drive rejections. The newer WD green drives a= re absolutely horrible in hardware raids since you can no longer enable TLER= and they can sometimes go offline for up to 5 minutes to repair a bad secto= r. By that time, the controller has assumed the drive is dead and rejects i= t from the array. ould enable TLER on these drives....but WD has took that out of the firmware= .=20 : WD Green drives in RAID with ZFS. Best way is enterprise SATA drives a SAS= /SATA RAID controller using 3U 16-slot SAS expanders. Drobo's are neat, unt= il they fail. ographer) needing >6tb, plays well with macs, and since she lives in PA easy= for me to walk her thru any issues over facetime?

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Ah. I missed the ZFS part. They would work great in a zfs array, or even a plain old software raid. Speaking of which, have you messed with bttrfs much?

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Not if you want any real throughput. Drobo are slow without a load on them, pretty snailtastic doing any kind of heavy writes. And you can build a much, much better machine for the same money. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+PPQoACgkQABP1RO+tr2QmPwCfd6B0EFcBj71C6BepmbSXKouJ dpsAoLC1FrnXdlYfvfutkb+R87oI7O9j =7DM9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I keep seeing it mentioned, but I have yet to see anyone propose a key/share/invite. Retroshare. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+PPboACgkQABP1RO+tr2TbgwCgkJzmqIE9cKa3N5hWkr1dk++D spYAnAyqQkICBbdx6xOHbx/ae1bKrF8V =+VN9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah, I thing a private VPN darknet backup service would be perfect.

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ I was thinking more in terms of offloading the tech support from Gary than bang for the buck. We can all do some weird one-off Free/Open NAS box, use OpenFiler, Pogo's.. etc.. Sometimes you want to reccomend something to someone that has a phone number or e-mail address to call for support other than your own.

=============================================================== From: Gary Hasty ------------------------------------------------------ bingo... on box, use OpenFiler, Pogo's.. etc.. Sometimes you want to reccomend

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ I'm going to say CrashPlan will be the best bet. Probably not as easy to use as Dropbox but it's feasible for large volume. -Eric -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:14:04 -0600 Eric Wolf wrote: I've got a version of Sparkleshare running, but I'm also finding that git isn't the end-all for tens or hundreds of gigabyte repositories. And, yeah, my ADSL2+ ain't all that fast on the upload. But I am subject to a different class of natural disasters than the rest of you... Dan

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Most things that "version" don't play well with my large binaries either. We're on a fault line too you know..... Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+QkvMACgkQABP1RO+tr2RFlgCZAY7gaKNbLf00oalPiKlWVdJn u3kAoIMPJvx0kul1JSHak9L7bQzvTfQ0 =qkE7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----