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any thoughts on the android merge in linux 3.3?

From: Rod-Lists 
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"For a long time, code from the Android project has not been merged back to the Linux repositories due to disagreement between developers from both projects. Fortunately, after several years the differences are being ironed out. Various Android subsystems and features have already been merged, and more will follow in the future. This will make things easier for everybody, including the Android mod community, or Linux distributions that want to support Android programs."
https://lwn.net/Articles/472984/

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Honesty, as long as they dont try to force the whole "unified operating system" for desktop, tablet and phones I think it will be good. Which is what I think alot of "visionaries" will see this good for. Call me old school, but I want my desktop to run like a desktop and I don't care for an "app store" for it. With Ubuntu hedging more and more towards a unified OS on all devices, I hope other distros don't follow. Android is great for my phone, but I dont want it on my desktop. :)

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ I like it a lot. Mostly because then I can take (if I want) an Android tablet and stick Ubuntu on there if I want to and not have to worry about drivers. I also think it is good for the future of Linux overall. Unified kernel is a good thing. Unified UI/arch/etc... not good (but that is not really what this is about). I know that there are going to be speed and memory improvements that a kernel hacker for a phone are going to have to have that will then in turn make my desktop extra fast. This is not just about drivers. I say harrah!

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +1,000,000!!!! To be honest, it bothers me a lot less on the *nix side of things (I haven't met a distro yet that I actually spend time in the GIU) because I know how to stop X from loading. But I spent a couple of hours with Win 8 CTP, which was about 20 minutes longer than it took to prep and load the VM. The interface is horrid! I can see where it would probably work great on a tablet, but for a desktop, it's unusable. So blew that away and loaded Server 8, and guess what? The Start menu is missing there also. I can't really see this getting buy-in from corporate or SMB markets. My guess is that 8 will end up in the same pile as ME and Vista. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9nbj8ACgkQABP1RO+tr2SvWQCfX+nqmAud0g3VKQhNXyRksN5o 68wAoIeKnsNlwhbxXvHb4ePzNee4KvOG =Ecnp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ Just a quick reiteration that same kernel !=/!==//not equal to/... same user interface. I know us regulars all know this, but just a reminder for anyone else.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I see the value in a unified interface, as long as it actually works across the board, which is difficult, which is why it hasn't happened yet. I actually own an Android netbook - no touch screen - and it's a horrible user experience. Windows 8, as I'm sure everyone is aware, is rushing headlong into this concept. Phone / Xbox / tablet / pc - will all have similar, if not the same, user experience. Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion will head more that way, too. (In fact, I believe they are dropping the "Mac" branding from the title, and just calling it OS X to look more like iOS, or at least just to distance it from being "just" a PC OS. And remember, when iOS first came out, it was called OS X as well.) 10.7 Lion has a lot of the iOS-y-ness already with its App Store and "Springboard" like app launcher. Again, if it is done well, it would only make sense, IMHO, to have one user interface across all hardware platforms. I'm not saying everything needs an App Store (although everything has one now), I'm just saying all these things are computers - they should all be able to be used the same way. *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah, I totally understand the differences between the kernel and the window manager. heh. I may have misread the article, since I assumed that more than the kernel was being merged. I have nothing against a unified kernel, and quite like the idea as it should bring a bunch of ideas together, and get more kernel developers working together. To be more specific, I should have said I absolutely hate the idea of a unified UI, window manager, desktop, or whatever you want to call the GUI layer. I like having a very mouse-centric desktop, and very touch-centric tablet UI. They are two very different devices, and I don't want the UI to function the same, since I use them in very different and distinct ways. Which is one reason why I like using a distro that uses X.org.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ I was looking for comments from the hardware guys who are building things with android now. As to the interface, I used to hate Unity until, as some my windows users say, I learned where they moved the furniture. Superficially it not that different from how I run openbox. Taskbar on the side and all. But us geeks were attracted by the freedom to tinker with the interface. Average user doesn't care as long as they can learn the paradigm used and get things done. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn Dixon To: CHUGALUG Sent: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 13:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [Chugalug] any thoughts on the android merge in linux 3.3? Yeah, I totally understand the differences between the kernel and the window manager. heh. I may have misread the article, since I assumed that more than the kernel was being merged. I have nothing against a unified kernel, and quite like the idea as it should bring a bunch of ideas together, and get more kernel developers working together. To be more specific, I should have said I absolutely hate the idea of a unified UI, window manager, desktop, or whatever you want to call the GUI layer. I like having a very mouse-centric desktop, and very touch-centric tablet UI. They are two very different devices, and I don't want the UI to function the same, since I use them in very different and distinct ways. Which is one reason why I like using a distro that uses X.org.

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ Quoting Dave Brockman : Well, Dave, you know every other O/S from Mickeysoft is a piece of garbage anyway! :D Probably no one will upgrade to 8, and everyone will stick with Win 7 until the next O/S is released and Microsoft learns from their mistakes with 8. :D

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 They are all garbage in their own ways, ME was really the only one I pick on about being a half-assed OS. I really have no idea why they even released it. Vista's biggest problem was selling machines that wouldn't run the pig, and not getting the vendors on board ahead of time with the new driver model. This is a UI paradigm shift unlike anything MS has ever tried before. I imagine some exec somewhere said "they got used to ribbon didn't they? They'll get used to this!" But I spent a couple of hours trying to work on it... and it totally sucks with a mouse/keyboard. Personally, I'm not looking forward to waving the mouse in the right bottom 5/8ths of the screen hoping the invisible Billboard Menu (c) springs out and shows me the first 3 of the 40 or 50 tools/applications I need to access to carry out my administrative duties. So will I advocate to my clients that they stick to 2008 R2 until they give me a start menu back, yes, yes I will. And I'll still insist on running all the *nix boxen I have hidden around (NTOP is a surprise hit for those admin who care but don't have a clue) sans X :) Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9nrHgACgkQABP1RO+tr2ToPwCffk1Aqz1+0Nhcuv8eg6R+taD1 xlgAn2mWCn/neAsKTTOSeF++JdUwSTfZ =Z+w3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----