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OT: How long does it take an ice cream sandwich to melt?

From: Lisa Ridley 
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http://hasverizonreleasedthegalaxynex.us/

(courtesy of Lee Walker)

=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ that's funny and sad that someone is upset enough to make a page for that. -B

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Why are all the iFans so nervous about Ice Cream Sandwich?

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ They are just worried that Android will get to 5 before they do. ;-)

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ Whose nervous? I think it's sad that the Android fanboys are being denied the latest = so-called "iPhone killer" in a long line of failed iPhone killers = because Verizon and Google can't stop trying to see who has, I mean is, = the bigger dick. wrote: that. wrote:

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ iOS is already on 5. What's to worry about?

=============================================================== From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" ------------------------------------------------------ I have both, and can't see the craziness of the iPhone fanboys... :P There are times that I love (and hate) both ;) r t.

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ What I think is ridiculous are when people try to label android devices as the "iphone killer". Its like calling Oat Bran the Wheaties killer. If a device suits the needs of the consumer that buys it, then it has fulfilled its purpose. I love my Android devices. I have a Galaxy Tab 10.1 and an aging HTC EVO 4G that are absolutely brilliant for what I need them to do. In my opinion, they have "slain" the iPhone for me personally, since I spent my dollar votes on them instead of iDevices. Its honestly time for all the fan idiots on both sides of the aisle to stop this nonsense of back and forth pissing contest. Buy what you like, and no one else will give one flying flip. I know I dont. Have you ever heard a Android manufacturer call themselves the "iphone killer"? Nope. Its only the fans that label it that.

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ All jokes aside, I do think it's ridiculous that, after delaying the = rollout of the phone over a technical glitch and getting that worked out = (which by the way I think is a perfectly legitimate reason to delay = bringing it to market), that it's now delayed because Verizon and Google = have gotten into a pissing match over being credit card merchant = providers. devices as the "iphone killer". Its like calling Oat Bran the Wheaties = killer. If a device suits the needs of the consumer that buys it, then = it has fulfilled its purpose. I love my Android devices. I have a = Galaxy Tab 10.1 and an aging HTC EVO 4G that are absolutely brilliant = for what I need them to do. In my opinion, they have "slain" the iPhone = for me personally, since I spent my dollar votes on them instead of = iDevices. =20 stop this nonsense of back and forth pissing contest. Buy what you like, = and no one else will give one flying flip. I know I dont. Have you ever = heard a Android manufacturer call themselves the "iphone killer"? Nope. = Its only the fans that label it that. wrote: so-called "iPhone killer" in a long line of failed iPhone killers = because Verizon and Google can't stop trying to see who has, I mean is, = the bigger dick. wrote: that. wrote:

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ +1 Agreed. Personally I would not want my carrier having anything to do with processing my app purchases on my Android device. -AW

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ +1 I have had enough trouble with my ISP, a telcom, changing my bill on me (6 months wrong in a row now) I can only imagine how bad it would be if they could claim who knows what was purchased to boot. o do

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I highly doubt that page was put up by an iPhone owner. 99.99% of them could care less when non-iPhone X comes out (or not in this case). I suspect the $10 or less protest was done by someone who wants (or at least intititally wanted) the Galaxy Nexus, and is upset it hasn't come out yet. This has nothing to do with iOS, iPhones, Macs, or Apple. *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ In fact the Twitter icon on the bottom links to a man who's Twitter bio starts "Husband, father, web designer and Android Geek.*"* * * *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" ------------------------------------------------------ Verizon SUCKS. :P them out : e:

=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ Is there a carrier who doesn't? On Dec 13, 2011 4:52 PM, "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" wrote: m e

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:18:14 -0500 Bret McHone wrote: We're looking hard at T-Mobile because we've heard "coverage is limited" from some of their subscribers, but no "sucks". Unlike every other vendor, where the subscribers I talk to universally apply that term. Of course our contracts ran out back in May and we still haven't switched from AT&T because the phones are still working, and I think a snazzy new Android phone would be cool, but not so cool that I'm rushing out of my way to pick one up. Dan

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ You know, that's really one thing I've never seen "hacked". I mean you can replace your home phone service, your cable bill, your video game console, build your own tablet, your own car, replace gas with Biofuel.... I've even seen people "barrow" WiFi service. But I've never seen a replacement for cell service - other than Skype (etc.) over WiFi. Is there a way to "roll your own" cell service. *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya o em t r

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ I just got my my new phone from Republic Wireless. It has been nice so far. $19 a month is nice to my wallet as well.

=============================================================== From: cynicalgeek@gmail.com ------------------------------------------------------ The correct term is "BAWRY" ;) Sent from my iPhone n replace your home phone service, your cable bill, your video game console,= build your own tablet, your own car, replace gas with Biofuel.... I've eve= n seen people "barrow" WiFi service. But I've never seen a replacement for c= ell service - other than Skype (etc.) over WiFi. Is there a way to "roll yo= ur own" cell service. te: out : e: te:

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Yes, there is a way to replace cell phones. Ham radio using a repeater thats setup with autopatch :) Technician class amateur radio operater here... KJ4JXE

=============================================================== From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" ------------------------------------------------------ Agreed. :) ats e:

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah, so how do you order a pizza on a Ham Radio? What's the number for 911 on Ham Radio? Smoke signals and yelling really loud don't count either. I'm talking about a portable way to MAKE PHONE CALLS. *rolls eyes* *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Dude... check this link: http://bit.ly/sDXPCN That should explain exactly what an autopatch is. I have used them to make phone calls many times, from the 2m / 440 radio I have in my car, as well as my little handheld walkie talkie. Oh yeah.... these systems are designed to be available in the most severe natural disasters, but are readily available everyday for use. so, more than likely, the repeater network (with autopatches) will be available for phone calls long after a cell system goes down. Oh, the number for 911 on a ham radio autopatch is....shockingly....911. :P o

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Heres another link for you Chad. A youtube video of a guy using his handheld to make a phone call to his cell phone during a function check of his clubs repeater: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D0m2l5UXcnaM&t=3D5m22s o

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Yeah - sounds really useful... http://www.qsl.net/w0erh/library/autopatch.htm * - All calls are publicly broadcasted. When you use the autopatch, everything you and the called party say is transmitted over our repeater system for all to hear. Therefore, use discretion; restrict discussion o= f sensitive or off-color topics to a normal telephone -- or even better, face-to-face. - Calls have a time limit of three (3) minutes. The autopatch is designed primarily for short duration communications. Lengthy phone call= s could tie up the repeater, preventing its access in an emergency. The repeater controller will warn you when only thirty (30) seconds are left= ; when you get this message, it's time to finish the conversation. - Local calls only. The autopatch cannot be used to call 800 numbers, long distance numbers, or any numbers out of our area (816 and 913 area codes). - Default area code is If you don't prefix your dialed number with an area code, the controller assumes 913. This is because the machi= ne is located in the 913 area code itself. To dial a Missouri number, you m= ust include the area code 816 in front of the number. - Autopatch calls are anonymous. The repeater system blocks display of its telephone number to the party you are calling, as our controller's telephone number is confidential information. Therefore, if the number you're calling is blocking anonymous calls, you won't be able to call th= em through the machine. - Control codes are confidential. When you join the Johnson County Radio Amateurs Club as a licensed member, you pay for the privilege of using the autopatch. The control codes issued to you are not to be divul= ged to anyone, even other club members. Club members needing assistance with access codes should contact a club officer for assistance. **- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya e r r so

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ This is actually very useful in an emergency. Even if it is just to locate y= our lost cellphone. -AW g you and the called party say is transmitted over our repeater system for a= ll to hear. Therefore, use discretion; restrict discussion of sensitive or o= ff-color topics to a normal telephone -- or even better, face-to-face. rimarily for short duration communications. Lengthy phone calls could tie up= the repeater, preventing its access in an emergency. The repeater controlle= r will warn you when only thirty (30) seconds are left; when you get this me= ssage, it's time to finish the conversation. istance numbers, or any numbers out of our area (816 and 913 area codes). area code, the controller assumes 913. This is because the machine is locat= ed in the 913 area code itself. To dial a Missouri number, you must include t= he area code 816 in front of the number. elephone number to the party you are calling, as our controller's telephone n= umber is confidential information. Therefore, if the number you're calling i= s blocking anonymous calls, you won't be able to call them through the machi= ne. ateurs Club as a licensed member, you pay for the privilege of using the aut= opatch. The control codes issued to you are not to be divulged to anyone, ev= en other club members. Club members needing assistance with access codes sho= uld contact a club officer for assistance. phone calls many times, from the 2m / 440 radio I have in my car, as well a= s my little handheld walkie talkie.=20 atural disasters, but are readily available everyday for use. so, more than l= ikely, the repeater network (with autopatches) will be available for phone c= alls long after a cell system goes down. 11 on Ham Radio? ut a portable way to MAKE PHONE CALLS. *rolls eyes* hats te: :

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Each repeater owner can set whatever rules they want on their repeaters. I guess since Apple didnt make it, the LUG finds it totally useless. heh. er of lls ft; a hine must r's them ulged th s e or r

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Aaron, I am actually guilty of that one myself. I had dropped my cell phone in the yard, couldn't find it. used my HT to call it, found it within a minute. Autopatches are where cell phones came from essentially. When MCI was founded in 1963, they were primarily doing business of setting commercial autopatch and radio systems. Thats how they ended up doing cellular communications. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Aaron Welch wrote= : er of lls ft; a hine must r's them ulged th s e or r

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I love how everything comes back to Apple hate. *this thread was about Android - a version of LINUX. Then people started bashing the iPhone *I asked for a cell phone replacement, and you offered what you could - and apparently, it's ain't much. 3 minute publicly broadcast local phone calls are pretty much useless. Carrying a Walkie Talkie around is no more convinent than carrying a cell phone. You are just as likely to lose it, or have the battery run out... (except, of course, if you are only talking for 3 minutes at a time, it may last a lot longer.) ... And yet SOMEHOW - that came back to Apple bashing. It's sad how jealous you people are. I mean why else make EVERYTHING about a product or company you hate. I guess since it's not as cool to hate Microsoft as it used to be, Apple is now to Hip thing to hate. Pathetic. *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya I ter n of , alls eft; nd 913 chine u must er's r them f vulged ith as o, able . e

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Again, if you can find your Walkie Talkie, you should be able to find your cell phone. And you know what's awesome about cell phones? They work ANYWHERE - not just in range of my computer. Also, I don't have to have a computer at home running, or a Ham Radio license, or broadcast my conversations, or have a broadcasting system running, or maintain all those things.... just to make a phone call. *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya in e: ter n of , alls eft; nd 913 chine u must er's r them f vulged ith as o, able . e

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ You fail at reading. The snippets you are so quick to point out are for a single repeater. You attempted to belittle the suggestion by finding the most obstentatious example you could. The example you found is not typical of most autopatches. This one is probably for a very busy club, and they probably have it setup on a very busy frequency that is used for normal ham traffic. Hence they put stong stipulations on it. The autpatches I have used have not been so restrictive. I always keep my HT plugged in the charger, either in the house or in my car. So finding it is as simple as following the charge cable. I keep it charged and ready for emergencies. Many nets are created within minutes of a natural disaster, and most of the emergency services rely on these nets for communication (both on the channel, or autopatched) when Cell systems fail. You simply asked for an alternative to a cell phone and gave no stipulations like "I need it to be magical, and the next best thing" or "It will change the way you communicate". I provided a very tried and true alternative. e g . ater on of r, calls e left; and 913 achine ou must ler's er l them of ivulged with : as so, lable 1. g :

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I followed the link you so graciously supplied - and none of them actually explained what it was. The text I copied and pasted was from the very first result. A walkie talkie doesn't replace a cell phone. Period. Whatever label you put on it. You still have to have *something* plugged into a phone line somewhere for the thing to work. All the walkie talkie does is carry your voice to and from the phone. The phone may look like a server, but it may as well be someone with a land line phone off the hook next to another walkie talkie as far as I can tell. Only difference is, the computer is telling the phone when to pick up and what number to dial.... *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya al am f It d re , ng . h. eater ion of er, calls he left; and 913 se the number, r e, if able to of divulged with : , as so, ilable :

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ That' s a bit of a leap, don't you think? Where does Apple bashing come = into play when you're talking about ham radios as a viable alternative = to cellphones? repeaters. I guess since Apple didnt make it, the LUG finds it totally = useless. heh.

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ To get this back on topic, perhaps you could create a secured connection. Ok so here is my imagined solution, which is far harder than just getting a cell phone, but if you want a project... First let's assume that your home can be your base. Hard line connection via an VoIP on your home Internet connection. Now on each end setup a pair (for duplex) of radios. Then setup a SSL encrypted connection over PPP and the radios as the connection. I believe this is actually not that hard with some of the Linux ham stuff out there. Now that you have your network connection, install a VoIP phone into the mobile system, or perhaps a wifi access point with an Android VoIP enabled phone. The cool thing is that this is likely fairly simple to do if you have the hardware and licenses. Or you could just setup a rogue cell tower...

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ how about 2 tin cans connected via a string or several tin cans all connected via string, in a mesh topology +1 if the tin cans once contained apples ----- Original Message ---- From: William Wade To: CHUGALUG Sent: Wed, December 14, 2011 8:28:35 AM Subject: Re: [Chugalug] OT: How long does it take an ice cream sandwich to melt? To get this back on topic, perhaps you could create a secured connection. Ok so here is my imagined solution, which is far harder than just getting a cell phone, but if you want a project... First let's assume that your home can be your base. Hard line connection via an VoIP on your home Internet connection. Now on each end setup a pair (for duplex) of radios. Then setup a SSL encrypted connection over PPP and the radios as the connection. I believe this is actually not that hard with some of the Linux ham stuff out there. Now that you have your network connection, install a VoIP phone into the mobile system, or perhaps a wifi access point with an Android VoIP enabled phone. The cool thing is that this is likely fairly simple to do if you have the hardware and licenses. Or you could just setup a rogue cell tower...

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ Hmm... Does this actually work? You might have to have some echo cancellation. When my kids are a little older we are going to try to make this tin can vocal vibration network.

=============================================================== From: Tom Wilson ------------------------------------------------------ Bonus points if the cans are available in "Product Red" or if white cans are delayed.

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ Ok, that was funny Lisa Ridley RoveWorks re delayed. o melt?

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ What about this? Not exactly - but instead of sending out a Ham Radio wave for a few miles - you send out your encrypted WiFi signal over the same distance? Then your pocket sized computer or tablet could be a cell phone - or even a WiFi enabled cell phone without the contract / service. Heck with my (ahem, Linux Powered) Nokia N900 - it wouldn't even look or act different if I was on Skype or Google Talk or a cellular network. (Sound quality may be different, but all services run through the same interface. Same notifications, same dialer...) Thank you Mike for pointing that little tidbit out before I bought my phone. :) Other than more people seeing and possibly attacking your network - is there an issue with this idea? Like legal issues / physics issues? Would it be overly costly? (Assuming one already owned land for the tower, and already paid for an internet connection.) I mean, considering that most people pay $50 or more per month for cell phone service, especially if it includes the web, a $600 solution would pay for itself in a year, or less - if it worked. * * *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ io wave Wouldn't the FCC have something bad to say about doing this? After all you would likely be interfering with a lot of other devices.

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ I want to see more use of tight band lasers for communications. You get bet= ter range and SNR with fiber, but terrestrial IR lasers offer more flexibili= ty. I wonder if we can open source building an open air laser network in Ch= atty. -AW ve

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Frickin' (airquotes) LASERS (airquotes). I don't know how serious you were, but anything with lasers is awesome. *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ Very. I played with TerraLasers (name?) while I was at Covista to connect two buildings via and OC3 link via laser. I would love to play with doing this with a green laser for fun. -AW

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ Would not the lasers have trouble in the summer with the humidity or low clouds? Perhaps that is only a problem past the point of possible straight line on the curved earth? I guess if you can shoot the moon with a laser then across town should not be a problem.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ You just need to use heavier lasers so that gravity will bend it around the Earth's surface. *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ So just a few extra Higgs Boson particles need to tag along eh? You could just go with the alternative: make the Earth more massive! It would truly be a flattening experience.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Or make the earth Flat - that would solve it too. *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ Personally we just need to get subspace up and running. Just think, close to real time operations with Mars!

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ 1. you guys really need to change subject line when you change subjects. 2. Calling for pizza is commercial activity and not allowed. as for 911, many emergency service centers have ham setups (see RACES or AR= ES). Otherwise many local ham ops double as emergency personnel. Barring that a fellow ham or the local autopatch will do in a pinch. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chad Smith To: CHUGALUG Sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 23:56:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Chugalug] OT: How long does it take an ice cream sandwich to = melt? Yeah, so how do you order a pizza on a Ham Radio? What's the number for 911 on Ham Radio? Smoke signals and yelling really loud don't count either. I'm talking about a portable way to MAKE PHONE CALLS. *rolls eyes* *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ You think your cell calls are private? While I don't currently have equipment to decode cell, I did. I'm sure I could lay hands on some modern version even if it is encrypted. Ps If I can't reach the other station I can boost signal to a Killowatt or = bounce it off the moon. I know folk who have work over a hundred countries with less than 5 milliwa= tts Can your iphone do that? ----- Original Message ----- From: Chad Smith To: CHUGALUG Sent: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 00:32:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Chugalug] OT: How long does it take an ice cream sandwich to = melt? I love how everything comes back to Apple hate. *this thread was about Android - a version of LINUX. Then people started bashing the iPhone *I asked for a cell phone replacement, and you offered what you could - and= apparently, it's ain't much. 3 minute publicly broadcast local phone calls are pretty much useless. Carrying a Walkie Talkie around is no more convinent than carrying a cell phone. You are just as likely to lose it, or have the battery run out... (except, of course, if you are only talking for 3 minutes at a time, it may last a lot longer.) ... And yet SOMEHOW - that came back to Apple bashing. It's sad how jealous you people are. I mean why else make EVERYTHING about= a product or company you hate. I guess since it's not as cool to hate Microsoft as it used to be, Apple is now to Hip thing to hate. Pathetic. *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya I ter n of , alls eft; nd 913 chine u must er's r them f vulged ith as o, able . e

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ 1. I don't have an iPhone. 2. I don't have an iPhone. 3. No one but you Apple haters are talking about iPhones. 4. I don't have an iPhone. 5. Stop bringing up the iPhone if you hate it so damn much. 6. I don't have an iPhone. 7. I'm sorry your geekhood is so small you think everyone is laughing at you because you don't have an iPhone. 8. I don't have an iPhone. 9. Nobody cares that you don't like the iPhone. 10. I don't have an iPhone. 11. I don't have an iPhone. For the love of Geek. STOP BITCHING ABOUT THE iPHONE THAT NO ONE BUT YOU IS TALKING ABOUT. *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya . r o nd s g ut . he r y , : ng

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ ROFLMAO... Where is Phil and his iPenis? Mine is bigger! -AW d. d ls , ng . e e 6 er ay y e e o . r

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ My cell phone conversations are not *secure* but they are *private*. You're not going to accidentally pick up my phone calls on your cell, radio, TV, or random disconnected speaker. So they are far more secure than broadcasting unencrypted on a frequency that anyone can pick up. Sure it's possible to buy a cell decrypter - that's a lot more targeted and purposeful than simply buying a radio scanner. Meaning someone would have to make a special effort to hear my cell conversations, whereas the other signal is being broadcast free and clear for anyone to pick up - purpose or not. And if I am out of a cell signal - I could use a WiFi hotspot... or keep driving until I get a signal... Or, idk, stop and borrow someone's phone. *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ Wouldn't it be cool if they had random places where you could use a phone? It could cost like a quarter and...

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Futurama - A man walks past a Phone Booth. "Oh! They got phones in booths now! I can stop carrying this stupid cell phone around!" *throws down cell phone and stomps on it.* *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Aren't all OC3 links via laser? Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7pNCQACgkQABP1RO+tr2THoQCfZO7G62TxAE/qE1ODkD9x8aL4 NJsAmQHjBUtGDQvAr9sCQcXPaNXQdZzD =x8pP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ This was open air laser, no glass or plastic fiber to ride. -AW

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok, you have my attention. Since I'm playing copy data back and forth and rebuild a server tonight, where can I find out more about this open air laser data transmission? I guess technically it can't be an OC circuit if it's not an Optical Cable, but how much bandwidth can you push this way? LOS required? Colors? (Can I)Blind neighbors in my LOS? :) Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7phnIACgkQABP1RO+tr2S89QCfXEgHP6ABNYqG2oTUfuUl5yV3 PbMAnjxXfVctOA0JCTjtOsWSVKgUrxvw =YK8w -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ I wonder how fog/smog/smoke and rain would effect it. I'm guessing all that refraction would be a problem for the data transmission unless it is an array of lasers that could withstand a certain amount of interference in the LOS. I think I remember seeing a program on TV a few years back where they had an array of lasers the size of a large plate. A certain percentage of the lasers could be blocked at any point without adversely affecting it and as more lasers were blocked the slower the connection ran, but it kept going unless it completely lost LOS. Sounds like a fun project. I wonder if you could hook up a modem to an LRAD and setup an open air analog system? -B

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ I wonder how a million cats jumping up to catch these open air lasers would affect it? will it be known as "CAT7" ?

=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ No idea, but it would be great target practice, then you could sell the meat to a chinese buffet.. -B

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ These were pretty resilient up until it started snowing pretty hard. I would love to play with these to build municipal mesh networks. -AW

=============================================================== From: Micah Breedlove ------------------------------------------------------ What's really funny is that they were so beside themselves that it had not been released the answer previously read, "OF COURSE NOT!"