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Geeks wanted :

 

http://www.thegigcity.com/geekhunt

 


=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ On the site they have an application for entrepeneurs and one for students. They don't have one for 30-something technology guy that wants to play too. Is there an option for 30-something technology guys?

=============================================================== From: Randy Yates ------------------------------------------------------ Ideas...the new gold

=============================================================== From: Matthew Keys ------------------------------------------------------ +1 I think it's the ideas they're after and no so much who/what you are. Th= ey do specify a different prize for students though.=A0 :=0A=0AThe largest = award will bring $100,000 to the entrepreneurial team with the most viable= business plan built during a 14-week business accelerator in the Gig Tank= . =0A=0AA $50,000 cash prize will be awarded to the winning student idea l= aunched in the Gig Tank right alongside startup entrepreneurs. =0A=0A=0A

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ I think this is a good idea badly implemented. The student portion will be e= asy, but they are not going to be the east coast Y Comibinator doing stuff l= ike this. The tech geeks that have good ideas have to have a real support n= etwork and once this is over Chattanooga still lacks alot of the appeal that= large cities have for geeks. There is a general lack of tech jobs and our c= ity has traditionally been tech averse from a business prospective. I reall= y hope the marketing people that cooked this up can convince people with ski= ll to come to our great city, but I do not see them staying here. -AW hey do specify a different prize for students though. : most viable business plan built during a 14-week business accelerator in th= e Gig Tank. n the Gig Tank right alongside startup entrepreneurs. . They don't have one for 30-something technology guy that wants to play too= . Is there an option for 30-something technology guys?

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ What would make them stay? Stephen Haywood Information Security Consultant CISSP, GPEN, OSCP T: @averagesecguy W: averagesecurityguy.info

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ Jobs. -AW e: e easy, but they are not going to be the east coast Y Comibinator doing stuf= f like this. The tech geeks that have good ideas have to have a real suppor= t network and once this is over Chattanooga still lacks alot of the appeal t= hat large cities have for geeks. There is a general lack of tech jobs and o= ur city has traditionally been tech averse from a business prospective. I r= eally hope the marketing people that cooked this up can convince people with= skill to come to our great city, but I do not see them staying here.

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ So its a catch-22. We need innovators to create the jobs, yet in order to attract them we need existing jobs.

=============================================================== From: rd ------------------------------------------------------ Reply posted at bottom. Note to Mike Harrison -- Usually when I post from the wrong address it is a brainfart. Right now I'm on a webmail where I can't adjust the from or the reply-to header. The old guard still has a lot of power. To them, 'disruptive' is not a compliment really. New businesses in a place meet both encouragement and hostility, most of which is covert. Even if you, as a new business, don't "steal" customers and don't "poach" employees, you make it less of a plantation or labor buyers' market. IOW, you lessen that precious worker fear and desperation. I believe that in Chattanooga the existing top dogs ( who run the licenses and regulations etc. ) make it too unfriendly for all but the very wealthiest or most well-connected potential entrant. There is a balance everywhere, and ours is bad.

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ +5 Very well put. The "covert" opposition startups face is downright redicu= lous. To make it worse, it really comes out when you need to raise capital o= r hire quality employees at market (not Chattanooga) rates. I have found th= at some people in Chattanooga want to rise the startup wave while starving t= he entrepreneurs that drive these new businesses. -AW m on a webmail where I can't adjust the from or the reply-to header. l g al he ch n hem pliment really. hich is covert. Even if you, as a new business, don't "steal" customers and d= on't "poach" employees, you make it less of a plantation or labor buyers' ma= rket. IOW, you lessen that precious worker fear and desperation. and regulations etc. ) make it too unfriendly for all but the very wealthie= st or most well-connected potential entrant. There is a balance everywhere, a= nd ours is bad.

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ Quoting Aaron Welch : What about "regionally" but not in the City of Chattanooga (or necessarily Hamilton Co)??? i.e. Cleveland/Dalton/Ringgold areas??? Are those "startup-hostile" areas as well?

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ More like non-existent. -AW diculous. To make it worse, it really comes out when you need to raise cap= ital or hire quality employees at market (not Chattanooga) rates. I have f= ound that some people in Chattanooga want to rise the startup wave while st= arving the entrepreneurs that drive these new businesses. Hamilton Co)??? i.e. Cleveland/Dalton/Ringgold areas??? Are those "startup-= hostile" areas as well?

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ What type of company has the best chance of surviving the non-friendly start-up environment? I want to start my own company and I am trying to figure out the best way to do it. -- Stephen Haywood Information Security Consultant CISSP, GPEN, OSCP T: @averagesecguy W: averagesecurityguy.info

=============================================================== From: Sean Brewer ------------------------------------------------------ It would be nice if Ringgold were more tech friendly. It's in a great location. You can't beat being right off the interstate.

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ To me, a great location has a high concentration of high-quality labor and availability of VC and incubators.

=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ Start some stuff up here in Knoxville... It's lonely up here... Granted... we don't have Gb internet access at affordable rates and I have no idea about the taxes/startup friendly/etc.. I've considered starting a business or two before but dislike the business end to the point of never even trying to get started.. plus I like my current job, but would like something "on the side". -B

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Set them up a wife, Jennie's ties here are the only reason I put down roots here, pretty much exactly for the reasons you state up there. I just didn't realize all of it until I'd been here a few years... Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7ME7sACgkQABP1RO+tr2RIbgCeJumY6btK0TQyXtDtvPsP8VGA wzkAnRP2iNBwnRGigaV/uhFlv+NKx6hq =1KTN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Real jobs, with real expectations and real salaries.... Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7MFC4ACgkQABP1RO+tr2TKXgCfSlD+dBYFBJxY1WfsDxQJwdMO Th8AoJpePO3wj7f0GcdklocuRBXdVfG+ =P+vl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ Not a big fan of the Lampost guy... Phil Sieg President SeniorTech LLC / snapf=C5=8Dn=C2=AE www.snapfon.com Phone: 423.535.9968 Fax: 423.265.9820 Mobile: 423.331.0725 "The computer is the most remarkable tool that we've ever come up with. = It's the equivalent of a bicycle for our minds." Steve Jobs, 1955-2011

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ Heh... One day over beer... many stories. -AW

=============================================================== From: Nick Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Count me in.

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ -- Stephen Haywood Information Security Consultant CISSP, GPEN, OSCP T: @averagesecguy W: averagesecurityguy.info

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ If I had an -IDEA- worth $100k, I would not be telling anyone involved with such things about that idea.

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ I have a nice house (paid for) with a great view and incredible friends locally (as well as far far away). It's a relatively cheap place to live. It's got a reasonable quality of life. I enjoy downtown Chattanooga. More so now that Nancy is also working downtown again.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 To be fair, I have made quite a few of those here and (not so) near. Mine's not paid for, but we just finished the re-fi, so we can keep it :) I find it comparable to ATL... burbs/outskirts, not downtown. It is a little ... suffocating isn't quite the right word... it's too strong I think... the "small town" attributes aren't in my top 10, but I'd rather be raising my daughters here than most of the places I lived in ATL. I know, we're *gasp* thinking of relocating a little closer... Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7MNL0ACgkQABP1RO+tr2RxfwCcCV8ELxvUU4iBuxcTcb5hOiHe R20AnRdeA74qauXtC86vpaOtQYjB2umi =dxHR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hmm, mid 30's, what high school? We may have uncovered a previous attempt to lure tech to Chatt..... :) Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7MNQkACgkQABP1RO+tr2RgVQCgi5bXUpoQmIXR1FUQGOZ93l/U tnAAoIv5xudbQpaxvKhLtwj/W0LvoMk8 =7ChX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: rd ------------------------------------------------------ Quoting Matt Keys : Announcing a new domain ( make it what it is to be ): Now content yet -- http://geeks-in-gigcity.com For example, we could answer practical questions and welcome geeks afar who might come here. On another subtopic: shouldn't various chugaluggers tag various chugaluggers ( who then might or might not apply ) ? -- R.D.Flowers, in Chattanooga Be a heretic, my sister !

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ What kind research is being done at the University up there? Any brain trusts up there? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bret McHone To: CHUGALUG Sent: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:14:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Chugalug] geek hunt Start some stuff up here in Knoxville... It's lonely up here... Granted... we don't have Gb internet access at affordable rates and I have no idea about the taxes/startup friendly/etc.. I've considered starting a business or two before but dislike the business end to the point of never even trying to get started.. plus I like my current job, but would like something "on the side". -B

=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ Probably, I'm just not the socialite to know them. There is a hacker space up here though. https://knoxvillehackerspace.com/ There are quite a few consulting companies along with the highest concentration of PHDs in the nation with Oak Ridge & Maryville next door. As far as good internet or sites for hosting... not so much. There's one place called Digital Crossing that provides services, but that's about it and it's not that great. The price of Metro Ethernet is finally coming down at least. And we have Calhouns and the Smokey Mtn. Brewery. They make some great beer. I love their "winter warmer" seasonal. -B

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ Not just jobs. Competitively compensated jobs, and a change in mindset. Chattanooga is still holding on to its blue collar roots, even though it = has run off the blue-collar jobs. That mindset has to change. wrote: wrote: will be easy, but they are not going to be the east coast Y Comibinator = doing stuff like this. The tech geeks that have good ideas have to have = a real support network and once this is over Chattanooga still lacks = alot of the appeal that large cities have for geeks. There is a general = lack of tech jobs and our city has traditionally been tech averse from a = business prospective. I really hope the marketing people that cooked = this up can convince people with skill to come to our great city, but I = do not see them staying here.

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Part of why I moved to Atlanta is because I wasn't making a good salary in Chattanooga. You should really get to fixing that. That will bring in talent.

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ +10 I have also seen the local investment community balk at companies with p= lans that involve paying real salaries to qualified people. If I have to st= art another company it will be somewhere else. That is unless the community= starts competing for business on a national level. -AW as run off the blue-collar jobs. ote: be easy, but they are not going to be the east coast Y Comibinator doing st= uff like this. The tech geeks that have good ideas have to have a real supp= ort network and once this is over Chattanooga still lacks alot of the appeal= that large cities have for geeks. There is a general lack of tech jobs and= our city has traditionally been tech averse from a business prospective. I= really hope the marketing people that cooked this up can convince people wi= th skill to come to our great city, but I do not see them staying here.

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ Most of us that make "good" salaries in Chattanooga do not work for Chattano= oga based companies. -AW On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Cameron Kilgore wrote= : Chattanooga. You should really get to fixing that. That will bring in talen= t. as run off the blue-collar jobs. ote: be easy, but they are not going to be the east coast Y Comibinator doing st= uff like this. The tech geeks that have good ideas have to have a real supp= ort network and once this is over Chattanooga still lacks alot of the appeal= that large cities have for geeks. There is a general lack of tech jobs and= our city has traditionally been tech averse from a business prospective. I= really hope the marketing people that cooked this up can convince people wi= th skill to come to our great city, but I do not see them staying here.

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ -- Stephen Haywood Information Security Consultant CISSP, GPEN, OSCP T: @averagesecguy W: averagesecurityguy.info

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ what do you city slickers consider a "good salary" ???? I must be one of those rare geeks who... 1) friggin LOVES Chattanooga, and it would take more than money to lure me away 2) is "happy" with my current salary (more would be better, of course, but I can't complain). 3) does not understand why people bitch about the lack of tech jobs in this area... am I blind? did I poke my eyes out with the pressure washer?

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I don't live in Chattanooga any more, miss the area like crazy, only make more here than I did there because I work more than one job, but did not see a lot of opportunities for tech jobs in Chattanooga --- like any. *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ Ed, the problem is two fold. One there is a general lack of available well q= ualified geeks in town, so companies have to source them from out of town. S= econd, the geeks that grow up here have to go elsewhere for education and tr= aining, so they tend to stay there. I have found that local companies want t= he moon for $1 when it comes to new tech hires. -AW away=20 I can't complain).=20 s area... am I blind? did I poke my eyes out with the pressure washer? nooga based companies. te: n Chattanooga. You should really get to fixing that. That will bring in tale= nt. as run off the blue-collar jobs. rote: l be easy, but they are not going to be the east coast Y Comibinator doing s= tuff like this. The tech geeks that have good ideas have to have a real sup= port network and once this is over Chattanooga still lacks alot of the appea= l that large cities have for geeks. There is a general lack of tech jobs an= d our city has traditionally been tech averse from a business prospective. I= really hope the marketing people that cooked this up can convince people wi= th skill to come to our great city, but I do not see them staying here.

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ $30,000/year for an experienced developer is not a good salary. You can = make that working as an assistant manager at any fast food restaurant. People here think you should be able to get a Google or Facebook sized = web application for $3-400. (Which is why the Gig City has some of the = crappiest websites on the planet that never get indexed by search = engines.) And mobile apps should be even less. I go to Altanta user group meetings and they're begging for developers. = The going rate for iOS development contract work is anywhere from = $100/hr to $200 and up depending on the skillset specialization. You = get someone that can program iOS devices and has experience in a = specialized field (such as medical office management/billing, etc) and = the rates go up. All the work we're currently doing comes from sources outside this area = -- where they're not only in touch with the real cost of talent but = actually recognize what talent really is, and acknowledge and comprehend = that you "get what you pay for". You pay below market rates, you get = below market work. Period. =20 I'm not sure Chattanooga has realized that yet. I've turned local work = away because they're unwilling to pay a competitive rate, or they want = to attach a bunch of onerous stipulations on what they are willing to = pay and think that because they're paying more than $20/hour that they = have the right to micromanage your life and own your intellectual = capital. Not. lure me away=20 but I can't complain).=20 this area... am I blind? did I poke my eyes out with the pressure = washer? Chattanooga based companies. wrote: salary in Chattanooga. You should really get to fixing that. That will = bring in talent. wrote: it has run off the blue-collar jobs. wrote: wrote: will be easy, but they are not going to be the east coast Y Comibinator = doing stuff like this. The tech geeks that have good ideas have to have = a real support network and once this is over Chattanooga still lacks = alot of the appeal that large cities have for geeks. There is a general = lack of tech jobs and our city has traditionally been tech averse from a = business prospective. I really hope the marketing people that cooked = this up can convince people with skill to come to our great city, but I = do not see them staying here.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ not a blue collar mindset. It's the lookout mountain mindset. Those who use run this town have long tried to keep wages low. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Ridley To: CHUGALUG Sent: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 12:33:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Chugalug] geek hunt Not just jobs. Competitively compensated jobs, and a change in mindset. Chattanooga is still holding on to its blue collar roots, even though it has run off the blue-collar jobs. That mindset has to change.

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Chattanooga's nascent tech industry is nothing if they can't break the wage gap. But hey, having good, cheap labor is what sold Amazon, Volkswagen, Alstom, and Wacker. That mentality does not work for IT labor. Although in all honesty the amount I get paid in Atlanta more than exceeds my sparse standard of living. But then again, I haven't yet had to pay a water bill here.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Check the national average for a Network Engineer with 15-18 years of real experience, hell for that matter, just check national averages for a CCNA with 2 years of experience. Then show me a job in Chattanooga offering half of that. Chattanooga expects you to be a developer, a DBA, a server admin, a network engineer and usually SME on at least two proprietary software packages, and the ones offering $40k act like they are being generous... Aaron and Lisa hit it on the head.... Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7NaEYACgkQABP1RO+tr2Q1uACeJ02PkoEnfLW21/XwkSjOUHoC kkMAoJUu7BBhMg4IpuUwsCHL9NqGibBW =f9AQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ I'd LIKE to pay more, really I would. Of course, that means I would be making more as well.. in order to be able to pay more.. etc. etc.. An aspiring 1%'r - and - Linux nut.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ Please forgive the top post, signature should explain... To be fair, you also aren't looking for the seasoned veterans, and in full d= isclosure, I don't thunk you ever required more than one or two skills at a t= ime, and you paid fair (by my definition) wages. Probably overly fair remem= bering the work /smile.=20 -- Sent from my mobile device, please excuse brevity and grammar. ing more as well.. in order to be able to pay more.. etc. etc..

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ Keep in mind that I am not knocking my fellow geeks. There are several of y= ou that I call when I get stuck on something. What I a referring to is the c= omplete undervaluing of quality IT services in Chattanooga. I charge $125/h= r for work I do after 6PM and $1500 for full days out of town. I am constan= tly told that I am cheaper than most remote hands on services in colo facili= ties. Chattanooga needs to reevaluate its IT pays ale or quality people wil= l continue to leave when ANY opportunity arises. -AW s r rk

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ Agreed. Mike has asked me to up my prices on more than one occasion. I als= o enjoy the pay it forward attitude of most people on this list. Of course J= ohn is falling behind on his intellectual payments. Beer will fix this debt= to the group though. -AW disclosure, I don't thunk you ever required more than one or two skills at a= time, and you paid fair (by my definition) wages. Probably overly fair rem= embering the work /smile.=20 king more as well.. in order to be able to pay more.. etc. etc..

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ I consider myself "quality people" but like I said earlier, it would will take more than money to lure me away from the town I love. Maybe its because I grew up in poverty (seriously) that I am so thankful for what I have now and do not feel the need to constantly chase the golden carrot. Does that mean I don't have dreams and ambitions? No it doesn't. It means that, instead of money, I place more value on the finer things in life, like, playing t-ball with my neice, or playing fetch with my doggie. Someone like me who wears many hats and gets paid way, way below the national average... yet is happy... I guess that makes me part of the "problem" in Chattanooga, huh? Enjoy your carrot chasing, meanwhile I'll be in the garage doing a disc brake conversion on my 70 nova... how do I end up with so much disposable income if I'm working in such a one-horse town? ----- Original Message ---- From: Aaron Welch To: CHUGALUG Sent: Thu, November 24, 2011 12:11:59 AM Subject: Re: [Chugalug] geek hunt Keep in mind that I am not knocking my fellow geeks. There are several of you that I call when I get stuck on something. What I a referring to is the complete undervaluing of quality IT services in Chattanooga. I charge $125/hr for work I do after 6PM and $1500 for full days out of town. I am constantly told that I am cheaper than most remote hands on services in colo facilities. Chattanooga needs to reevaluate its IT pays ale or quality people will continue to leave when ANY opportunity arises. -AW

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ I too grew up in poverty, in a 1 factory county that shut down before I was a= teenager. I fell in love w/ a woman, not a town. The surroundings aren't p= art of the salary. It's not a golden carrot, it's about worth and value. An= d Ed, you are in a different place in your life than some of us. I had a sh= it-ton more disposable income before the kids, and they seem to only get mor= e expensive as they get older.=20 And in a way, you aren't so much the problem (because your happy) you just m= ake it that much harder for the next guy :) -- Sent from my mobile device, please excuse brevity and grammar. ake=20 grew=20 not=20 t have=20 lace=20 , or=20 ts=20 makes=20 ake=20 me if=20 you=20 5/hr=20 tly=20 es. =20 tinue=20 : is l or ork ]

=============================================================== From: Tim Youngblood ------------------------------------------------------ I came here by way of Kansas City MO, New Haven CT, NY NY, St. Louis, Orlando, Atlanta, NY NY, Atlanta. I could move to San Francisco if I chose with my company having an office there and I really like it out there except for the politics. If there was a better place to live, I'd be there already. I'm in the process of moving our HQ from Atlanta to Chattanooga, so I'd like to think I'm a part of the solution to bring national market paying jobs to the area. We are hiring at national level pay for national level talent. I'm also of the philosophy that the ones who complain should be the first to grab a shovel and change things. If you find you don't like your pay and your job, you should get out there and mix it up and make something new happen. And if your current employer senses you are unhappy, they should help expedite the process *for you*. I think Chattanooga is changing slowly into the kind of economy that puts it on the map. Sitting on our hands will not make this happen faster. I hope I can be a part of the solution. Carpe diem, Tim

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ Just to clarify as some of you may not know or realize, I threw away the sho= vel long ago and grabbed the controls of a backhoe. I have 2 companies that= pay above the national average for amazing people. I constantly push local= companies to value their employees better. =20 -AW ndo, Atlanta, NY NY, Atlanta. I could move to San Francisco if I chose with m= y company having an office there and I really like it out there except for t= he politics. ess of moving our HQ from Atlanta to Chattanooga, so I'd like to think I'm a= part of the solution to bring national market paying jobs to the area. We a= re hiring at national level pay for national level talent. o grab a shovel and change things. If you find you don't like your pay and y= our job, you should get out there and mix it up and make something new happe= n. And if your current employer senses you are unhappy, they should help exp= edite the process for you. t on the map. Sitting on our hands will not make this happen faster. I hope I= can be a part of the solution.

=============================================================== From: Tim Youngblood ------------------------------------------------------ Huzzah!

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ And to hijack, happy T-day to everyone. I for one am grateful I do what I e= njoy and am fairly compensated, and I know my value, experience and opinions= are valued. And the rest of me is tolerated :). -- Sent from my mobile device, please excuse brevity and grammar. hovel long ago and grabbed the controls of a backhoe. I have 2 companies th= at pay above the national average for amazing people. I constantly push loc= al companies to value their employees better. =20 e: ando, Atlanta, NY NY, Atlanta. I could move to San Francisco if I chose with= my company having an office there and I really like it out there except for= the politics. cess of moving our HQ from Atlanta to Chattanooga, so I'd like to think I'm a= part of the solution to bring national market paying jobs to the area. We a= re hiring at national level pay for national level talent. to grab a shovel and change things. If you find you don't like your pay and= your job, you should get out there and mix it up and make something new hap= pen. And if your current employer senses you are unhappy, they should help e= xpedite the process for you. it on the map. Sitting on our hands will not make this happen faster. I hop= e I can be a part of the solution.