Ethics question

From: John Aldrich 
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Ok, one of my (former?) co-workers gave me a Compaq laptop because it won't 
boot. Not to repair and give back, mind, but just GAVE it to me with the 
proviso that I format the hard drive or otherwise destroy any data on it.. 
He'd asked me about it before, but never let me see it, so I had no idea 
what it was and pretty much told him it could be any number of things. When 
I got it, I did a little bit of diagnostic work and turns out the hard 
drive is dead. That negates the need to destroy the data, obviously. :D

Ethical question: Should I call him up and tell him what I discovered and 
offer to let him have it for the parts and labor to repair it, or just keep 
it and use it myself after I fix it? I *want* to do the latter, but I feel 
kinda bad about doing that.

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ He gave it to you, but if you're concerned you could always offer it back. Ryan Macy Me@rmacy.us C: 423.385.9751 t=20 =20 n=20 p=20 =20

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ Well, I just want to get another opinion. After I rebuild it, I might offer to sell it back to him for time and materials.

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ You just spent the money to fix it, so it is now yours if it was given to yo= u. -AW 't=20 .=20 en=20 =20 ep=20 l=20

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ Ok. Thanks for your input. I do feel a bit better about it...it's a nearly $600 laptop (if it were working) so I'm getting an EXCELLENT deal if I just keep it. :D

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ You should see what some of these E-dumps have come to them. I scavenge at the local university one occasionally. Mostly for laptops to test/sell/make into photo frames.

=============================================================== From: Billy ------------------------------------------------------ In my mind, it's like offering up a broken TV on free cycle or craig's list just so someone can take it off your hands. It's similar to dumping that old couch on the curb. If someone comes and gets it, fixes the TV (or refinishes the couch), are you going to want them to give it back to you? --b

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ Good point. I think I might call him up and offer to sell it back to him for about 1/3 of the suggested resale value, after all I'm upgrading the hard drive and I'm putting time into it. If he doesn't want it, then I'll go ahead and keep it with a clear conscience. :D

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ John, Unless you would rather have the money, WHY do this. You seem determined to shoot yourself in the foot. Just put the gun = DOWN. The laptop was a GIFT.: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=3Dgift look at the first = result and read carefully. Phil Sieg President SeniorTech LLC / snapf=C5=8Dn=C2=AE www.snapfon.com Phone: 423.535.9968 Fax: 423.265.9820 Mobile: 423.331.0725 "The computer is the most remarkable tool that we've ever come up with. = It's the equivalent of a bicycle for our minds." Steve Jobs, 1955-2011 craig's dumping him for=20 hard=20 go=20

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ Ok... well, it's a moral dilemma that's getting me... He gave it to me thinking it was going to be difficult/expensive to repair, and it's only going to cost less than $200 parts and labor, which is about 1/3 of the retail cost on that same laptop.

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ Last I checked the going shop rate on laptops was ~$100-$150 an hour minimum 1 hour. Make sure you are not shorting the "repair amount" is not out of line with what it would have actually cost him. rst

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 20 Oct 2011 12:35:56 -0400 John Aldrich wrote: And how much of your time and energy? Heck, I think you've got $200 worth of time in email exchanges related to this alone. When he gave it to you, he was giving it to you with the understanding that it wasn't worth his time to fix it. Right? If you feel really bad, say "hey, I fixed it. It cost me $x in parts, and [$100-150 * hours] worth of my time." And for @DEITIES sake, don't underestimate the value of your time (like you consistently do). However, remember that you also took the risk of fixing up the laptop. You didn't know going in that it was going to be fairly easy. There is value in taking that risk. Take the damned gift and be happy. Thank him, tell him you got it up and running, and carry on. Dan

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ I'd tell him the situation and let him decide. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Aldrich To: CHUGALUG Sent: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Chugalug] Ethics question Ok, one of my (former?) co-workers gave me a Compaq laptop because it won't boot. Not to repair and give back, mind, but just GAVE it to me with the proviso that I format the hard drive or otherwise destroy any data on it.. He'd asked me about it before, but never let me see it, so I had no idea what it was and pretty much told him it could be any number of things. When I got it, I did a little bit of diagnostic work and turns out the hard drive is dead. That negates the need to destroy the data, obviously. :D Ethical question: Should I call him up and tell him what I discovered and offer to let him have it for the parts and labor to repair it, or just keep it and use it myself after I fix it? I *want* to do the latter, but I feel kinda bad about doing that.

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ My bill is already $250 with the PITA fee of even having this type of discussion. The final point to this, is this: Will this guy be mad if he: 1. Finds me using it 2. Finds out I fixed and sold it to eat since my old employer shafted me 3. Finds out that I want to charge him to fix what he thought was broke and already replaced. Me, I would be concerned about this if any of these came up and only if they ever came up. -AW

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ I believe the price that MacAuthority quoted me for any work not covered = by warranty on my recently repaired iMac was "starting at $190 / hour" wrote: first me only the

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ Oh, I did not realize there was a higher charge for laptops. Good to know... that significantly bumps up the "repair" cost... I figure 2 hours to install the new HDD and reinstall Windoze. At that rate it's more like $300-350 which is about HALF the SRP of that laptop.

=============================================================== From: John Aldrich ------------------------------------------------------ Ok... seems like the score is about 2:1 in favor of keeping it and keeping my mouth shut. :D Guess I'll keep it and be happy. :D

=============================================================== From: Cynicalgeek ------------------------------------------------------ $100-$150/hr for laptop repair is highway robbery.

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ I know a shop that had so much work (instead of hiring new techs) just raised their prices. Robbery is correct, but it does take a decent amount of know how to do some stuff with laptops. Mainboard replacement for example. I used to be able to do it in about 75 minutes, but I guess now it would take me 100. On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Cynicalgeek wrote= : : t" is s

=============================================================== From: Cynicalgeek ------------------------------------------------------ I usually charge two hours of labor for a mobo replacement in a laptop and I'm not even close to $100/hr.

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ True but you do not have as much overhead as a physical shop. Either way these are the current shop rates, not the current on the side rates (which do not normally have to pay health benefits). On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Cynicalgeek wrote= : d te: I used r ount" e

=============================================================== From: Cynicalgeek ------------------------------------------------------ I do have a physical shop in Dalton so that probably makes the difference between a large city and a small city.

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ I think you are too cheap. This is the difference between geeks and business people. Geeks charge what they would pay, but business people charge as much as 70% of the people would pay. I have repeatedly learned this the hard way. This is also why I sell hardware for WAY more than I pay for it. I stand behind what I sell, so if something breaks I need to have the money to cover replacing it. People can buy used stuff off eBay cheaper, but tell me how many of them will meet you in your datacenter and help you replace parts at 2AM (Looks at Dr. D... :+P) -AW

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Personally, I would keep it. He said he didn't know what was wrong with it, and offered it to you. I don't see the problem. Obviously, the laptop was worthless to him. However, if your conscience is bothering you, let him know what was wrong, what you did, and offer it back to him for the cost of parts and labor. A laptop isn't worth your rep or friendship, or even a guilty conscience, IMHO. *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I *TOTALLY* felt that one. *- Chad W. Smith* *"I like a man who's middle name is W."* President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You should listen to the little people.... It was given to you with the restriction that you ensure the data on it was destroyed. The only thing your conscience should need is about 30 seconds with a drill press just to be absolutely 100% certain you destroyed all the data on that old drive. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6iSQkACgkQABP1RO+tr2R81QCgiPu39UrV+XYYkWCvG6WkWyxk K8EAoI27/FrSs5SYTxIqED+U2gS8JSvo =lVLG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----