I'd be embarassed if I wrote this

From: Rod-Lists 
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Today's best tech innovations=E2=80=94touch-screen gestures, app stores, an=
d speech recognition=E2=80=94got big on mobile devices and are only now mak=
ing their way to PCs. - Farhad Manjoo

http://www.slate.com/id/2301414/

My response:

Are you serious? Take tech history review son. OSX had voice recognition si=
nce day 1. App stores are just gussed up software repositories, something w=
e linux users have had for what 15 maybe 20 years? Usable touch screens hav=
e been around since the 90's. We've just hit a economy of scale that has ma=
de them ubiquitous. God help you people if we have another Carrington Event=
. You people would lost without your cell network.

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Is this the same guy that said PCs were going the way of the vacuum tube? Today's best tech innovations=97touch-screen gestures, app stores, and spee= ch recognition=97got big on mobile devices and are only now making their way t= o PCs. - Farhad Manjoo http://www.slate.com/id/2301414/ My response: Are you serious? Take tech history review son. OSX had voice recognition since day 1. App stores are just gussed up software repositories, something we linux users have had for what 15 maybe 20 years? Usable touch screens have been around since the 90's. We've just hit a economy of scale that has made them ubiquitous. God help you people if we have another Carrington Event. You people would lost without your cell network.

=============================================================== From: Tom Wilson ------------------------------------------------------

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ early 30's. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Wilson" To: chugalug@chugalug.org Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:27:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] I'd be embarassed if I wrote this and speech recognition=E2=80=94got big on mobile devices and are only now m= aking their way to PCs. - Farhad Manjoo since day 1. App stores are just gussed up software repositories, something= we linux users have had for what 15 maybe 20 years? Usable touch screens h= ave been around since the 90's. We've just hit a economy of scale that has = made them ubiquitous. God help you people if we have another Carrington Eve= nt. You people would lost without your cell network.

=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ The moral of the lesson is that if you are going to write an article that geeks are going to read, you had better have your facts right. There are few things in this world as agitated as a geek/nerd/etc... who has caught the scent of someone who is completely wrong. I too am guilty of getting fired up at someone who tries to pass ignorant opinions off as fact. For my two cents I don't thing age is an excuse for ignorance once you hit a professional level. He should know how to research and find real facts before he puts it out there for the world to tear apart. -B heir ch le

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ wait a minute... are y'all trying to tell me that only certain computers h= ave =0Avoice recognition? so all these years I've been yelling "you piece = of shit!" at =0Amy computers, its been falling on deaf ears?=0A=0A=0A=0A---= -- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Tom Wilson =0ATo: ch= ugalug@chugalug.org=0ASent: Wed, August 17, 2011 10:27:41 AM=0ASubject: Re:= [Chugalug] I'd be embarassed if I wrote this=0A=0AOn 8/15/2011 9:30 AM, Ro= d-Lists wrote:=0A> Today's best tech innovations=E2=80=94touch-screen gestu= res, app stores, and speech =0A>recognition=E2=80=94got big on mobile devic= es and are only now making their way to PCs. =0A>- Farhad Manjoo=0A>=0A> ht= tp://www.slate.com/id/2301414/=0A>=0A> My response:=0A>=0A> Are you serious= ? Take tech history review son. OSX had voice recognition since =0A>day 1. = App stores are just gussed up software repositories, something we linux =0A= around =0A>since the 90's. We've just hit a economy of scale that has made = them ubiquitous. =0A>God help you people if we have another Carrington Even= t. You people would lost =0A>without your cell network.=0A>

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ "Hello computer..." www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dv9kTVZiJ3Uc uters have of shit!" at and speech ir way to PCs. since linux around uitous. lost

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ "No, Ed. We heard you..." --Cameron y to n n d

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:59:21 -0400 Bret McHone wrote: Actually, I've gotta say that I think that's just about backwards, for this reason: If he said something that geeks agreed with, would he have gotten nearly as many page hits? Modern journalists, *especially* modern tech journalists, are generally just professional trolls. They're all about bringing the page hits. It's kind of like a reviewer panning a movie. Ya don't get pull quotes on the movie ads by doing that, so if you're an unknown reviewer make sure that *everything* is completely awesome so that you can get a recognizable name. Dan

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ just professional trolls. They're all about bringing the page hits. MG Siegler and Dan Lyons are perfect examples of "trolling too hard." They always bring out the haters. People don't go to these authors to be told what to hate -- they do it to blow up their own sense of self-satisfaction. There is no fairness doctrine in technology reporting (or for that matter any reporting). --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Tom Wilson ------------------------------------------------------ In an ideal world, it wouldn't be. However, we are dealing with tech news - Pretty much the McDonalds of journalism. They have better fact-checking at The National Enquirer.

=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ touche

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ That is because the masses get the garbage spewed by the National Enquirer, but not Tech Crunch. It is worse in the current political news that Fox and others are spewing, but that would veer us way off topic. -AW

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:54:01 -0400 Aaron welch wrote: So to drag us screaming back on topic... Where is the good Tech News these days? I've heard a couple of people say good things about Leo LaPorte and the various Twit.tv streams, but even though Leo lives in my town and we run into each other at parties and he seems like a decent guy, I've never felt like I'm getting anything from those shows. /. is toast. It once was good, but... Gizmodo and Wired's various blogs end up way too gee-wizzy and gadget crazy. Anyone got a decent tech news source? Dan

=============================================================== From: wes ------------------------------------------------------ Ars Technica? -wes

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Ever since the Conde Nast buyout, Ars Technica hired some real morons (Peter Bright) who openly write factually WRONG and opinionated articles. And they're churning out a lot of gaming and Apple articles, presumably for clicks. Which promotes comment noise.

=============================================================== From: wes ------------------------------------------------------ hm. I guess I hadn't seen those. who reads comments anyway? I do, purely for entertainment value. Occasionally I see something that is not stupid. Aside from that, I rely on my various like-minded groups I'm in. This one, for example, as well as a few other LUGs with reasonable traffic mailing lists and a few chat rooms. If something is really important or interesting, chances are very high it will be mentioned in one of those places. If I think someone will be interested in the other groups, I will pass it along. Speaking of which. We're going to cure your cancer by giving you AIDS. Brilliant! -wes

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Off topic: the Curing Cancer with HIV title was misleading, they are using HIV to modify white blood cells, that's all. So far the test subjects show no sign of actual HIV infection, and even if they did: So what? Many people with terminal cancer would probably preffer having HIV over the fact that they will be dead in a year or less. The survival rate for HIV is much higher than that of, say, pancreatic cancer. hm. I guess I hadn't seen those. who reads comments anyway? I do, purely for entertainment value. Occasionally I see something that is not stupid. Aside from that, I rely on my various like-minded groups I'm in. This one, for example, as well as a few other LUGs with reasonable traffic mailing lists and a few chat rooms. If something is really important or interesting, chances are very high it will be mentioned in one of those places. If I think someone will be interested in the other groups, I will pass it along. Speaking of which. We're going to cure your cancer by giving you AIDS. Brilliant! -wes On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Cameron Kilgore wrote:

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ars has gone down (though not as far or fast as /.), but it is in my "skim over for interesting things" RSS feed, but you do have to pay attention to the author, and at times take large grains of salt with you. As my interests have narrowed to network and security, I don't really have a good "general tech" source, other than my "skim over for interesting things" feed, which still includes /. and Ars. The security blogs/sites I keep up with generally beat /. to postings, sometimes by days, but I do occasionally read the odd science article posted on /. and not in my other haunts. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5MPakACgkQABP1RO+tr2TuGACfSUyd9W4ddxrhUEuwruDPgM9f vAQAnj1SIZSMCthtQdVG+TMtzmjZjaMM =KV0k -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: wes ------------------------------------------------------ dunno if this helps or is relevant at all: the neat thing about reddit is its categorizationability (wow, firefox did not mark that in red). I'm sure there are a few interesting subreddits for each person. You just gotta find them. -wes

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ or as i'm calling it now, c20y --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ my 11 year old niece

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ On on the topic of lazy political news , I posted this on few sites. You might get a kick out of the Video (John Stewart). ------------------ I try to warn people about the dangers of the media narrative It is a trap lazy reporters & news readers fall into all the time. It is neither conservative nor liberal as you will soon see. The latest victim? Ron Paul. There are some things greens agree with Paul on. Many we do not. But he is a thoughtful candidate trying to take part in our body politic. Only to be snubbed in favor of Sarah Palin? Who many believe is just illegally using campaign contributions to give her family a vacation. How did Ron Paul become the 13th floor of politics? This is an issue that affects all 3rd party candidates and limits our political choices. http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-15-2011/indecision-2012---corn-polled-edition---ron-paul---the-top-tier ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron welch" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:54:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] I'd be embarassed if I wrote this That is because the masses get the garbage spewed by the National Enquirer, but not Tech Crunch. It is worse in the current political news that Fox and others are spewing, but that would veer us way off topic. -AW For my two cents I don't thing age is an excuse for ignorance once you hit a professional level. He should know how to research and find real facts before he puts it out there for the world to tear apart. -B In an ideal world, it wouldn't be. However, we are dealing with tech news - Pretty much the McDonalds of journalism. They have better fact-checking at The National Enquirer.

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ I lost a great deal of respect for Ron Paul after I found out he is a doctor that doesn't believe in Evolution (even macro-evolution)..... Lost all respect for Ben Stien too

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ I alot of his veiws I don't agree with. A few I do. But this is an example of a thoughtful viewpoint that gets swept under the rug i our political process it happens to greens as well. Leaving us with a false choice between two parties with generally against populist interests. But again it is all about the narrative. Screw the facts if it doesn't fit the narrative or meme. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Kraus" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 9:23:13 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] I'd be embarassed if I wrote this I lost a great deal of respect for Ron Paul after I found out he is a doctor that doesn't believe in Evolution (even macro-evolution)..... Lost all respect for Ben Stien too On on the topic of lazy political news , I posted this on few sites. You might get a kick out of the Video (John Stewart). ------------------ I try to warn people about the dangers of the media narrative It is a trap lazy reporters & news readers fall into all the time. It is neither conservative nor liberal as you will soon see. The latest victim? Ron Paul. There are some things greens agree with Paul on. Many we do not. But he is a thoughtful candidate trying to take part in our body politic. Only to be snubbed in favor of Sarah Palin? Who many believe is just illegally using campaign contributions to give her family a vacation. How did Ron Paul become the 13th floor of politics? This is an issue that affects all 3rd party candidates and limits our political choices. http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-15-2011/indecision-2012---corn-polled-edition---ron-paul---the-top-tier ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron welch" < n2nightfall@gmail.com > To: "CHUGALUG" < chugalug@chugalug.org > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:54:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] I'd be embarassed if I wrote this That is because the masses get the garbage spewed by the National Enquirer, but not Tech Crunch. It is worse in the current political news that Fox and others are spewing, but that would veer us way off topic. -AW For my two cents I don't thing age is an excuse for ignorance once you hit a professional level. He should know how to research and find real facts before he puts it out there for the world to tear apart. -B In an ideal world, it wouldn't be. However, we are dealing with tech news - Pretty much the McDonalds of journalism. They have better fact-checking at The National Enquirer.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ Leo mentions linux & Ubuntu to non-techies. Prolley the only place they will hear that. At least he is better than the digital goddess on the radio. Those shows are consumer electronics shows not necessarily tech shows. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Lyke" To: chugalug@chugalug.org Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 5:11:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] I'd be embarassed if I wrote this On Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:54:01 -0400 Aaron welch wrote: So to drag us screaming back on topic... Where is the good Tech News these days? I've heard a couple of people say good things about Leo LaPorte and the various Twit.tv streams, but even though Leo lives in my town and we run into each other at parties and he seems like a decent guy, I've never felt like I'm getting anything from those shows. /. is toast. It once was good, but... Gizmodo and Wired's various blogs end up way too gee-wizzy and gadget crazy. Anyone got a decent tech news source? Dan

=============================================================== From: Donna Appleget ------------------------------------------------------ The funniest one to me was the "Podcast" buzzword for mp3. eech recognition=97got big on mobile devices and are only now making their = way to PCs. - Farhad Manjoo since day 1. App stores are just gussed up software repositories, something= we linux users have had for what 15 maybe 20 years? Usable touch screens h= ave been around since the 90's. We've just hit a economy of scale that has = made them ubiquitous. God help you people if we have another Carrington Eve= nt. You people would lost without your cell network.

=============================================================== From: Tom Wilson ------------------------------------------------------ I don't think a source exists these days. If it is product related, I discount it until a soccer mom calls me and asks if I can fix it. If it is Linux related, it is instantly written off as comment-bait. If it is Windows related, same thing. If it is Apple related, I lump it in with farm reports and other things I am not overly interested in. Sorry, I am not an iPerson. Nothing personal. I will say Apple is a good barometer though. If they start flinging lawsuits, it's a good indication that a product is or has a chance to be viable. As for Android, the only news I am paying attention to now is the acquisition of Motorola Mobility. If it means that a true baseline phone and tablet emerges and becomes a standard in terms of OS version and hardware specs, it is a "good thing". Would a market leader PLEASE step up and make my job easier? Please? They're fluff, more or less. Entertaining at times though. But it was over-run with Microsoft vs Linux idiocy and it remained long after the rest of the world had moved on.

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ In terms of an integrated hardware/OS mobile platform, I'm pretty sure = we have one. They're called Apple. They may not be the market leader = you want, but they are definitely the market leader.

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ Touche! I am amazed at my 3yr old's ability to navigate an iPad 2 and my lack of ability to operate 50% of the Android tablets out there. To get back on topic, I have found it really hard to find a source of accurate technical reviews of the low-mid range Android devices. I can read customer reviews off the sales sites (Amazon, Tigerdirect, etc), but none of the major outlets do in depth reviews past the marketing fluff supplied by the vendor anymore. I mean really, why is there not a really good place to find info about a small form factor 3G capable Android tablet? -AW

=============================================================== From: Tom Wilson ------------------------------------------------------ Not going to happen for a multitude of reasons. That said, if I were an *independent* App developer, I wouldn't have given Android a second look.

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ Hacker news is where I go for news

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ My HP Elitebook is the anti-macbook Hacker news is where I go for news