Certifications

From: "Robert A. Kelly III" 
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What Linux and IT-related certifications would you recommend? Which are
the most valuable in the job market today?
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=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ I recently earned Redhat Certified Administrator (RHCSA), and I am scheduled to take the Redhat Certified Engineer (RHCE) in August. I would recommend any of the Redhat certifications simply because I feel the exams are more real world. They are all lab based, and performance based. You are given a set of tasks to complete, and a machine to complete them on. You have 2.5 hours, and you are at your own mercy to get it done in that time frame. There are no multiple choice questions. Because of Redhats presence in large companies, of course their certifications are going to be valued. Alot of the folks on the Lug will recommend the LPIC exams since they are non-distro specific, but I would argue that if you purpose of certification is to make you more marketable to prospective employers, your best bet is to get certified using what the companies use day to day. For most large companies, that will either be paid Redhat entitlement subscriptions, or they will use the free RHEL base distros out there, such as CentOS or Oracle Linux. Start here: https://www.redhat.com/certification/ The normal certification path is like this: RHCSA RHCE RHCDS or RHCSS RHCA Most folks in the industry are fine with RHCE as it is a highly regarded certification and shows you are competent in managing a RHEL environment. My ultimate goal is to become an RHCA which is cream of the crop Redhat certs. Usually, when folks become RHCA, they usually end up working for Redhat. Heh. If you would like more info give me a shout. I would be happy to share my experiences in making it through the Redhat exams. They are tough!

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 are Honest truth is that you won't find a lot of love for certifications in = the unix world. Most folks really only care about whether or not you've = got the chops to do the job, and answer multiple guess questions about = which file in /etc influences your startup sequence just isn't all that = helpful.=20 The Red Hat certifications get a little more respect, since they're = practical, results based examinations, but they only go so far. My = employer is a Red Hat shop, and we've got RHCE's who can't troubleshoot = problems with an LDAP server, which is kind of important.=20 The honest truth, is that I personally don't respect any certifications = that aren't hands on and results based. Far too many people view = certifications as easy paths to big paychecks, and the cheating industry = that has cropped up around the certification industry just makes it hard = to take certifications at face value anymore. When a CCNP can't tell me = how ARP works, I tend to be a little skeptical they passed the exams on = their own. Speaking for myself, I have a boatload of Cisco certs, but the only one = I care about is the one I'm current preparing for - CCIE -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJONjQ5AAoJEDSV5GS4KsJ41CkH/ieZ636sV/duy7zwPvUFALbH FCTg98tHJcQz7z8ttoT7SFs9jQ9NOO74v8GYi8dnMvqXFa8eVJFH78YfQMV2XYIP ICXyiaL33QJiP9E21AkCa5bOtHO9KRLcXRVFL/86oH2891PnSdivA+boes8qhSYe hIprNI0AoQB/XUKE7Nk8WtwKd4Bf3CYigTVb04IxYkql1FXQMoaS2e7OW33SF2L4 uKDgBTgKLJlMGKzDcZIMYrfynVelFXYImzq81gNU+oCUUo/uPXIgS0e4YZ+JBinr sstf+A5XhUSwUjbImjy36+SCnsOe0XeLGDGlYivbdAM6PMdaklXSyRF6vfJu8NI=3D =3D5b1w -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Ironically I work with my Linux than Microsoft products with my MCSE. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Honest truth is that you won't find a lot of love for certifications in the unix world. Most folks really only care about whether or not you've got the chops to do the job, and answer multiple guess questions about which file in /etc influences your startup sequence just isn't all that helpful. The Red Hat certifications get a little more respect, since they're practical, results based examinations, but they only go so far. My employer is a Red Hat shop, and we've got RHCE's who can't troubleshoot problems with an LDAP server, which is kind of important. The honest truth, is that I personally don't respect any certifications that aren't hands on and results based. Far too many people view certifications as easy paths to big paychecks, and the cheating industry that has cropped up around the certification industry just makes it hard to take certifications at face value anymore. When a CCNP can't tell me how ARP works, I tend to be a little skeptical they passed the exams on their own. Speaking for myself, I have a boatload of Cisco certs, but the only one I care about is the one I'm current preparing for - CCIE -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJONjQ5AAoJEDSV5GS4KsJ41CkH/ieZ636sV/duy7zwPvUFALbH FCTg98tHJcQz7z8ttoT7SFs9jQ9NOO74v8GYi8dnMvqXFa8eVJFH78YfQMV2XYIP ICXyiaL33QJiP9E21AkCa5bOtHO9KRLcXRVFL/86oH2891PnSdivA+boes8qhSYe hIprNI0AoQB/XUKE7Nk8WtwKd4Bf3CYigTVb04IxYkql1FXQMoaS2e7OW33SF2L4 uKDgBTgKLJlMGKzDcZIMYrfynVelFXYImzq81gNU+oCUUo/uPXIgS0e4YZ+JBinr sstf+A5XhUSwUjbImjy36+SCnsOe0XeLGDGlYivbdAM6PMdaklXSyRF6vfJu8NI= =5b1w -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ Yup, and I know folks who went and got their CCNP, and now they're = Exchange admins because they foolishly accepted a job as a Microsoft = Network Administrator. Turns out that usually means you get to = administer servers on the network, and not the network itself, and that = inevitably leads to Exchange!

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ I have found that all those strings of letters do is just get you past the HR drones and recruiters. The real interviewers do not really care so long as you know what you are talking about and can demonstrate that. -AW

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 the HR drones and recruiters. The real interviewers do not really care = so long as you know what you are talking about and can demonstrate that. Yup, that's been my impression as well. Hell, the last set of = interviews, one of them flat out told me that he wasn't terribly = impressed by my certs because he'd seen alot of paper tigers. I told him = I understood, and that I wouldn't be offended if he wanted to put my = knowledge to the test. Afterwards, he was impressed. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJONrFDAAoJEDSV5GS4KsJ4CA8H/0oQJsh3TmeliHzN49RTcD5K vqZkzN2Gpu2Olf5BwR3ds39gvLoLs9kzUzy1h8lg261XsFlv5h4b8GAOCpGyWBFT K+u68jMccXgoxx00o1AJIJ3VQkyxEtBf/97xEbyRvS693lq09HC2g0khgDEYXTks vNBOvyXCFsJ4lIXFmquZQQKFfj5/zLzme0pW+SlJAwbI8ZVOyWohMvwwlf3AmGdj e2JhWEydWGMpzBwapxjO2nZUEiyByjXzzYkx/bU35FRLH34P4fNAWWdAkL66veNt BEdGyFvObS0hvb4NrtUTLhZ+YOHGEi3Zj6v/zeAhQRAiIpUdWjojPTe79a1zvWY=3D =3DE77Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dustin Salter ------------------------------------------------------ I agree with Aaron on this! Once the manager gets a chance to speak to you and see what you may or may not know, that is the real key. I also find that people with certifications or work with systems a specific way because that's the way the classes teach are not very successful. They have to break the habits of doing it the 'Cisco' or 'Microsoft' way.

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ to you and see what you may or may not know, that is the real key. I = also find that people with certifications or work with systems a = specific way because that's the way the classes teach are not very = successful. They have to break the habits of doing it the 'Cisco' or = 'Microsoft' way. I broke myself of the Microsoft way by simply getting rid of Microsoft! = That was actually part of what drove me insane when I was doing = Microsoft certs. I was one exam short of the MCSA (ironically, the = network exam) before I reached the point where I couldn't do it anymore. = I simply could not bring myself to think the Microsoft way anymore. A = printer is a device, damnit, not a print device. And the piece of = software that interfaces with the device is a DRIVER not a printer! In Cisco's case, doing the Design track certs, yeah, let's just say I = did an awful lot of laughing, especially when it came to their load = balancing and security solutions, not to mention their heavy bias for = EIGRP as an IGP. Once you get into the more generic aspects of = networking, like OSPF and BGP, Cisco's recommendations are sane, but = anything to do with their own proprietary solutions should always be = taken with a grain of salt.

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ Perhaps a more pertinent question here would be: What certifications will best get me past the HR gatekeeper so I can get = that interview with the hiring manager? wrote: the HR drones and recruiters. The real interviewers do not really care = so long as you know what you are talking about and can demonstrate that. to you and see what you may or may not know, that is the real key. I = also find that people with certifications or work with systems a = specific way because that's the way the classes teach are not very = successful. They have to break the habits of doing it the 'Cisco' or = 'Microsoft' way.

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Lisa, I would recommend any of the Redhat certs. Simply because they are real world, and most major companies will use Redhat or a RHEL based derivitive if they are running Linux. RHCSA is the easiest. Then I would recommend RHCE.

=============================================================== From: Adam Jimerson ------------------------------------------------------ What about this one http://www.lpi.org/eng/certification how valued is a distro independent certification? wrote: the long you because

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ I dont want to detract from LPIC, but they are standard multiple choice exam, and anyone can cram for them and pass, and then forget the knowledge. They are also very generic in nature, since they are non distro specific, which can be a good and bad thing. The good is that you are not tied to one specific distro, the bad is that most major industries are going to be using a RHEL or RHEL clone in their environment.

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ The hardest part of the CCNA and the MCSE for me was learning to think the 'cisco' or 'microsoft' way....its retarded the way they do things What about this one http://www.lpi.org/eng/certification how valued is a distro independent certification?

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ a distro independent certification? It's about as respected as the CompTIA Linux+, aka, not very. The only linux cert that really gets any respect is the RHCE and above. = All due respect to Lynn, but my experience with RHCA's usually means = 'not good enough to have passed the RHCE', since you can gain both with = one lab exam. I'm relatively certain I could pass the RHCE with about 2 = weeks of study (selinux is my only weak point, since I usually just turn = it off), but I'm not willing to pay for it, and I'm not interested in a = career in linux administration. If work offered to pay for it, I'd jump = on it in a heartbeat.

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ the 'cisco' or 'microsoft' way....its retarded the way they do things I'm curious, what did you consider retarded about the CCNA, and what = would you have done differently? At that level, the only thing I can think of was their stubborn = insistence about not using subnet-zero or the all-ones subnet, but for = the most part, the CCNA is just basic networking. Obviously = configuration is going to be done the Cisco way, it'd be kind of = unrealistic to expect them to teach you how to configure Juniper gear, = after all, but for the most part, the CCNA is just the application of = basic network principles as they apply to Cisco gear.=20

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ No offense at all. I think you have the RHCA confused with the new RHCSA. RHCSA is the pre-requisitie to RHCE now (It replaced the old RHCT). RHCA is the highest redhat cert. For me, my company paid for the Redhat courses. Now they have 3 courses that follow in this order: 1. System Admin. I (RH124) -- Very basic knowledge. 2. System Admin II (RH135) -- This is the middle of the road course. Alot of basic stuff with some little tougher stuff sprinkled in. It also prepares you for the RHCSA exam and is usually offered at the end of the course itself 3. System Admin III (RH255) -- This is the final course in working towards RHCE. Usually folks will take all three courses if they had no experience, and then just take both the RHCSA and RHCE exams at the end of this one since they are both offered same day. Usually RHCSA in the morning and RHCE in the afternoon. For me, it wasnt that I wasnt "good enough" to earn the RHCE. My company sent me to training and I went right in to System Admin II and then I wanted to take the RHCSA exam that was offered after it. I had to wait until the next fiscal quarter before my company would approve the System Admin III and RHCE exam. They also told me "Earn the RHCSA, and then we will send you for RHCE". Redhat has also been trying to steer folks away from the "Well you failed RHCE but earned RHCT (RHCSA)" Stigma, so they restructured their certifications when they launched RHEL6. Now, the standard path is like posted above. Folks with no experience go RH124 --> RH135 and then take the RHCSA. If they pass it, they will proceed to RH255 and take RHCE. Or, depending on your experience, you can jump straight to whatever exam you feel comfortable with, or whatever your company is willing to pay for :)

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ What would I change? /begin rant How about the simulator being broken and causing you to miss passing by 11pts (out of 1000). That one simlet was worth 150pts. I intentionally misconfigured the setup to see if I could get it to respond to packets differently and no dice. Even blocking everything inbound resulted in the same response from the sim. I called everyone after the exam to make sure I was not out of my mind on the ACL config, but we all agreed that I was right. /end rant Regards, -AW

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ That was a lot of acronyms. 29 if you count the course abbreviations. That is almost as bad as my employer, Uncle Sam (via USDA, via Ag. Research Services). RHCA is Now of epares s , CE ted and you for like he r, e: t ab but ux

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 by 11pts (out of 1000). That one simlet was worth 150pts. I = intentionally misconfigured the setup to see if I could get it to = respond to packets differently and no dice. Even blocking everything = inbound resulted in the same response from the sim. I called everyone = after the exam to make sure I was not out of my mind on the ACL config, = but we all agreed that I was right. And this relates to the Cisco Way how? Come on man, I'm pretty sure you = can see the difference between technical difficulties on a simulation, = and the method of indoctrination. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJONs5tAAoJEDSV5GS4KsJ4X9IIAIK6Oj3hXWn10Baj7wLa3jQE fO2zJIeH03F1+4sD8zXvqROtY2EsH8Q3YpQFb+4uRBM/BVZ1CiEOZ8skUgqqs9iA DmuEDM5tqr7RgNPXrU+ad6CcmQ9hFaj69fwZVX77uwi5GOfWQgN5EBrm7jZG+nXh 3mEkfyM5WNEJFv9mucu6xF5qicNXJZeWrenrVrXi8LKPmCZcbnfHYKjTeUjD74E/ W2L4YGTPaYuU+KVX4DAAl/pnSkTZpDuafhVAPiq0siTkuiH92jYDE3MhJt5KwL2M mjvcLhJXyiWu8I0uQO9KeRvHfd3MWvEyDr6sINhYCHkoJMuflL9Wdq5kj/QcAPU=3D =3D7p38 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Right, sorry, RHCT is what I was thinking of, got my acronyms backward. RHCSA. RHCSA is the pre-requisitie to RHCE now (It replaced the old = RHCT). RHCA is the highest redhat cert. For me, my company paid for the = Redhat courses. Now they have 3 courses that follow in this order: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJONs6VAAoJEDSV5GS4KsJ4q0oH/2+74QPRlMmb/iA1HXYrh6XC 5t40/CS4CXwVuOZjngZkOXAShhs3D4sQUs76MbxVHb+W0BuN7aPp0+OoUYlwaziE ywSDwJQMJ/WdBAFLHpEvGTHr8wGAJyB7jXcuQtrvv/xURmEJKnYZ0+MaMyZOQhRa wWmIh8KP+nVJaWXCTqKWhTxNebT+Lp5m+EBRXe0NM8j1Gq7JU7/hIgrys64L7FqE B03HDHf5A9JxZRJQ1BCj2PY99I+7ildTKEMH44Mp8ajDpcnjkXbTOuZBY4Vh4FTz oftHG5BWdqAtC9MgDpjJ4jUJXsQsNyVMwn+YaHno/yarasU0X8LRdzqdKQj190w=3D =3D1yK5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ Heh. Sorry for the acronyms, but it beats typing them all out :P I think Redhat has done a good thing by more vertically lining up their certs. In the past, like you said, if you werent good enough to pass RHCE, they would award you with RHCT if you did "ok". So it became a fall back cert. Now, with the curriculum they are using, its more flexible, especially for companies buying the training for employees. Earning the RHCSA is still a pre-requisite for any higher certs, but you have the option of taking it after the second course, and then only having to take the second portion of the exam when you go for RHCE instead of having to test for both certifications on the same day. I like that. I can space out my certs over time, and only worry about learning that specific portion.

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ The parallel I was drawing was related to the whole process of indoctrination. It is like learning the new way to paint by a master only to find out that it is wrong to draw rainbows in every picture. I study their way of doing something for weeks, only to be denied after their chosen method of testing does not work correctly on ONE question. As for the validity of the certification, I think one of the most widely accepted and reputable basic certs is the CCNA. As you move up in the CCxx certifications, I think applicants should be required to post their actual certification number as I have been passed over due to people just putting CCNP and CCIE on their resumes without actually having the certification. Regards, Aaron

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ I recommend mastery of the Tao instead of wasting time with man-made ladder-climbing gimmicks http://www.canonical.org/~kragen/tao-of-programming.html ----- Original Message ---- From: Robert A. Kelly III To: CHUGALUG Sent: Sun, July 31, 2011 11:33:41 PM Subject: [Chugalug] Certifications What Linux and IT-related certifications would you recommend? Which are the most valuable in the job market today?

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ The major flaw in testing is the assumption that in the real world you have to perform with on a pencil and a small calculator at hand to figure out subnetting and net masks. In the real world, I have refferences The parallel I was drawing was related to the whole process of indoctrination. It is like learning the new way to paint by a master only to find out that it is wrong to draw rainbows in every picture. I study their way of doing something for weeks, only to be denied after their chosen method of testing does not work correctly on ONE question. As for the validity of the certification, I think one of the most widely accepted and reputable basic certs is the CCNA. As you move up in the CCxx certifications, I think applicants should be required to post their actual certification number as I have been passed over due to people just putting CCNP and CCIE on their resumes without actually having the certification. Regards, Aaron -- Aaron Welch 423-505-9999 n2nightfall@gmail.com "Enabling people to do great things with their ow...

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 indoctrination. It is like learning the new way to paint by a master = only to find out that it is wrong to draw rainbows in every picture. I = study their way of doing something for weeks, only to be denied after = their chosen method of testing does not work correctly on ONE question. =20= Sure, and did you go and try and implement the same solution on real = equipment? I don't really give a damn about the exam, after all. Are you = just learning this to pass the exam, or are you looking to transfer this = knowledge into the real world? Ok, so their flash based simulator sucks, = you're not the only one to have run into problems with the sims on the = exams. But how exactly does that scenario invalidate what you've learned = when you apply it to the real world? Because it didn't work in the sim, = it must not work at all? That's the question I'm asking about. I hear quite alot of complaining = about the cisco way, but when I ask, no one can ever give me a better = way. I have my own disagreements with Cisco, and I will happily detail = why I think Cisco content engines and ACE modules are a particularly = crappy sort of load balancer compared to F5's solutions, or even a linux = box running LVS. The same goes for the majority of Cisco's security = solutions (which I largely don't even *have* to argue about anymore, = since they've pretty much killed them all off. RIP MARS). I can also go = into great detail about their fudging of standards when it comes to = Multiple Spanning Tree.=20 But on the majority of subjects, Cisco is actually pretty damned = correct, and I suspect that alot of the grouching has nothing to do with = the validity of what Cisco thinks, but is more tied to a strong dislike = of the brand. widely accepted and reputable basic certs is the CCNA. As you move up = in the CCxx certifications, I think applicants should be required to = post their actual certification number as I have been passed over due to = people just putting CCNP and CCIE on their resumes without actually = having the certification. I could certainly agree with that. On the other hand, it's also possible to publish your credentials. If HR = departments would simply require that candidates publish their = credentials to a specified email address in order to validate them, that = would solve alot of the problem. CCIE #'s can be independently = validated, and since CCIE's tend to be religious about their numbers, = I'd be immediately suspect of one that doesn't publish his, and if an HR = department doesn't take the time to validate the CCIE # (or make an = attempt to establish if the person has passed the CCIE lab exam, and not = just the Written), they probably deserve what they get.=20 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJONtbbAAoJEDSV5GS4KsJ4iPwH/3Slh6F9GUCiebeWOETBGzmq dt5uozQF9idhOau0k9vittAluYVbtM42txyMo2ClYJ+ni9V6kDUTXjgcuMshwgy3 HCAPHrzmIiauuaBo7lTH6yw0QUOSLzq+hR8YwcQNj+NJe8gJ06bapHtX5RRrQ+2w DTYJNSXzMfGzF6FP4Nu4Cgjgim5Uv7btQKa9vLxYMGQ4QvBPbXy55OBx+YnMwqu3 pYLh/qn70mQdls4o8er7hXRteHa58+2NA26WVkW9OmW6vTNzlJPoM1F1ikaIZTnY THYYlPCTK+D3sYEGQs0gjPtPScRSTj12KEOjJFYEe3QSgPhvMmhuI775zkDZI24=3D =3Dx5HP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ have to perform with on a pencil and a small calculator at hand to = figure out subnetting and net masks. They do that so you understand how it works, as the binary math applies = to a good bit. Honestly, I don't even need the references anymore, I can = subnet and summarize in my head with little effort, because all you're = doing is flipping bits which represent powers of 2, and rarely going = above 8 bits (hex, and hence, ipv6, still makes my head hurt though)

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ I like how Redhat does their certification verification. They have a Verification page on their site that allows you to quickly get the cert profile from anyone that provides their Certificate number. Here is that site: https://www.redhat.com/wapps/training/certification/verify.html And here is my Cert number: 100-006-188 and a link to my Certification Profile page: https://www.redhat.com/wapps/training/certification/verify.html;jsessionid=mTO6ZJkH3Mj3VFHP98M1qg**.4b748952?certNumber=100-006-188&verify=Verify So, what I do is use a service like bit.ly and shorten that link to my cert profile down to something that is easily insertable into a resume, such as this: http://red.ht/LynnDixon It makes for a professional way to include a linkable page to verify certification. And yes, once you have setup your certification profile on Redhat, you can put whatever company you want in the "Employer" field so as to not be tied to any specific employer.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I did not have a problem with the "Cisco" way for my CCNA. There was no design involved, and the proprietary stuff was covered equally or less than the industry specific (EIGRP vs OSPF, 802.1q vs ISL) Granted, I had to know the basics of a crap-ton of different things, I didn't see a bias or a different way of thinking.... MS on the other hand... Something from the NT days drives me batty... Your System Files are on the Boot Drive. Your Boot Files are on the System Drive. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk43HhsACgkQABP1RO+tr2REewCfXQVmaMTgCL5o7+pg8iKtyp4h N9gAoLNFaIo5LmTFFAyNNpIEUhCeagL7 =p52D -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: "Robert A. Kelly III" ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm a little surprised to hear that Red Hat is so dominant. What about Ubuntu, Debian, and derivatives? Stats I have seen suggest that Ubuntu is more popular on the desktop than any other distro by at least an order of magnitude (followed by SUSE, Fedora, and Debian itself). [1] I would have expected Ubuntu and Canonical solutions to have a little more usage in industry. I'm also surprised no one even mention the certifications of other vendors like Canonical or Novell. [1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk46QUwACgkQQCTX/7MVrjYxDQCeLaTC3FEhNApmtZDbMihXrLy8 MZMAnitauO35PNYBZEM7VhOMAROQvRHu =/LMU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I more As far as actual deployment goes... they're popular because they offer = good support contracts, which for some companies, is a requirement. In = companies that aren't quite so uptight about commercial support, Debian, = Ubuntu, and FreeBSD are doing just fine. But Red Hat has been offering = commercial Linux support from the word go. They've also got alot of good = will built up, because they contribute ALOT back to the linux community, = Red Hat developers do a significant amount, along with IBM. Ubuntu is a = relative newcomer to the Linux game, and it's popular as a desktop OS = because it's easy to install, and easy to use, though the direction = they're going in lately made me reassess and move back to Debian as my = desktop Linux distro. Not a fan of Unity, not a fan of their maverick = streak and do our own thing mentality. I like simple and stable, and = seeing gdm crash three times in a row during an 11.04 install did not = give me confidence. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOOkQhAAoJEDSV5GS4KsJ4xDIH/1BZWQy1wLCBUuF/d0ioRT6p awUwZTeP/Z7vszig5+JNXtZeYPoPeIn/eop76CCLLztPEdjrBmR59/gymRAgrHrE mWto2mzTRNjTxM1R1nOSRpcFXu0oDo6O70sqwvvqzc5XopEW0KNiAGLoeZwTP+Ie PHA2M64uwvDSJIRyKqwIKUYYwVF4ascEZlSxiIX2AdH0HdJbIB6+Oq0v73tLV6v0 YtMg05Fj4ZPs28appCcBaS590KeOxdIzxQqXQ3PCvQ2iNti/7oxdWND83oxaUvOK CSdyGRmY9Kk+0NpJiZ6adxCHroJmjk74CJx+9PAnMv+Ijljz+7xELez9YktfcMI=3D =3Dy/GO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----