OT: Job Hunting

From: Stephen Haywood 
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All,

  I have a gentleman at church who is looking for work. He is a senior in
college and is trying to get some experience. His resume can be found
here.

=============================================================== From: Sean Brewer ------------------------------------------------------ He really needs to proofread his resume. On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Stephen Haywood wrote= : .

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Also: - He needs to say what kind of Cisco admin he's at. "College level" scares the shit out of me and any competent recruiter. Is/was he going f= or CCNA/CCNP? - Should simplify his section on computer service -- "Software development and maintenance for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, FreeBSD" and "hardware service on computers (conventional PCs and Apple machines)" - THE GRAMMAR. MY GOD. - Work Experience should be most recent first, descending --Cameron te: n e.

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ I'll have a Grande Americano with room and one of those cookies... He needs to state an objective at the top. Edit the objective for each job for which you apply. As everyone else has said, he needs to simplify. No fluff. The biggest problem with fluff on a resume is that you are likely to screw it up. Use the wrong acronym in obvious fluff and you're headed straight for the trash bin. I had a 12-page resume sent to me once. The dude claimed to be proficient i= n C, C+ and C++. This was 1993. There actually is a C+ now but there wasn't one then. By adding the fluff, it made me question everything on the resume= . FYI: The only reason I even looked at the 12-page resume was because I was waiting on a very long link (Dan can tell you how much time we had waiting on the linker...) Your resume should be one (1) page with a 12-point font. It is acceptable to have a second page that lists what technologies you hav= e had WORK exposure to and what your proficiency level is. If you didn't have room on the first page for references (I hate seeing "References available on request." unless it's something I pulled from the web), it's OK to put them on this second page. If you are young and can't fill a page, then search your memory some. Do an= y volunteering? Were you president of in a club in college? Put this under "Experience" like it was a job. The one positive thing about this resume is the writing style is "about right" for a college grad (although the grammar is miserable). To fill space, if needed, spend more time describing your jobs. -Eric -=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-=3D--=3D---=3D----=3D---=3D--=3D-= =3D- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734 On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Cameron Kilgore wr= ote: for ote: in re.

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ Can I submit my resume for critique trash in resume. have have any for foundhere.

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Sure. --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ +1 -AW ob e ash t in t ume. as ng t. ave ave le t any -=3D- or e: wrote: n here.

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ Two year college course for Cisco usually means Cisco Network Academy, so he should have at least CCNA proficiency. The problem with Academy graduates is that they don't always go on to complete the certification. Of my initial class of 40 at the beginning of the year, 15 were left at the end, and I'm relatively certain I'm the only one that went on to achieve *any* Cisco certification, let alone the CCNA. The lack of mention of any certifications leads me to believe all of his experience is coursework, and from my personal experience with the Cisco Academy, there's no way in hell I'd let him put his paws on the pipes.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Objectives went out last decade. All the current resume advice I read say do not include it. Of course, my reading is also biased towards one with 20 years of experience, not fresh out of college, so there may be more lee-way for him there. Again, my reading tells me to put your skills first. *IF* you have *relevant* work experience, feel free to go past 1 page. Depending on the scenario, either include the references or do not, but do not include the "References available upon request" tag. If it's relevant to the position you are applying for, by all means, use this as well, not only when you need filler.... Or accomplishments during said jobs... Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4fYykACgkQABP1RO+tr2SWIgCeJ3DjUGdN1Vj7OuFK7CZ4AEwW vJQAn1gx08ZxmPChvgx8EE2xJzufKB13 =BkF+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ All, I apologize, I really should have read through his resume better before I posted it. I will talk to him and try to get some of these things corrected. I appreciate your help. From what I understand he is looking for any job IT related. Including grunt work. If you know of anything let me know. In the meantime I will help him get his resume updated. Thanks, Stephen

=============================================================== From: Billy ------------------------------------------------------ Unfortunately, with all the bankrupt companies, mergers, and consulting, it'= s REALLY hard for me to be less than two pages. One page could just list the= relevant positions with no details. And that's the last 10 years. I don't l= ist anything older than that. In IT, 10 years is obsolete. Of course, since this job has been so stable, my resume will probably look b= etter in another two years... --b for which you apply. blem with fluff on a resume is that you are likely to screw it up. Use the w= rong acronym in obvious fluff and you're headed straight for the trash bin. n C, C+ and C++. This was 1993. There actually is a C+ now but there wasn't o= ne then. By adding the fluff, it made me question everything on the resume. waiting on a very long link (Dan can tell you how much time we had waiting o= n the linker...) Your resume should be one (1) page with a 12-point font. It= is acceptable to have a second page that lists what technologies you have h= ad WORK exposure to and what your proficiency level is. If you didn't have r= oom on the first page for references (I hate seeing "References available on= request." unless it's something I pulled from the web), it's OK to put them= on this second page. ny volunteering? Were you president of in a club in college? Put this under "= Experience" like it was a job. ght" for a college grad (although the grammar is miserable). To fill space, i= f needed, spend more time describing your jobs. =3D- rote: he shit out of me and any competent recruiter. Is/was he going for CCNA/CCNP= ? nd maintenance for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, FreeBSD" and "hardware service o= n computers (conventional PCs and Apple machines)" te: ollege and is trying to get some experience. His resume can be found here. C= ontact him directly if you know of anything.

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ Did you guys get my resume? I think it had to be approved it's REALLY hard for me to be less than two pages. One page could just list the relevant positions with no details. And that's the last 10 years. I don't list anything older than that. In IT, 10 years is obsolete. better in another two years... job for which you apply. problem with fluff on a resume is that you are likely to screw it up. Use the wrong acronym in obvious fluff and you're headed straight for the trash bin. in C, C+ and C++. This was 1993. There actually is a C+ now but there wasn't one then. By adding the fluff, it made me question everything on the resume. was waiting on a very long link (Dan can tell you how much time we had waiting on the linker...) Your resume should be one (1) page with a 12-point font. It is acceptable to have a second page that lists what technologies you have had WORK exposure to and what your proficiency level is. If you didn't have room on the first page for references (I hate seeing "References available on request." unless it's something I pulled from the web), it's OK to put them on this second page. any volunteering? Were you president of in a club in college? Put this under "Experience" like it was a job. right" for a college grad (although the grammar is miserable). To fill space, if needed, spend more time describing your jobs. wrote: the shit out of me and any competent recruiter. Is/was he going for CCNA/CCNP? and maintenance for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, FreeBSD" and "hardware service on computers (conventional PCs and Apple machines)" wrote: college and is trying to get some experience. His resume can be found here. Contact him directly if you know of anything.

=============================================================== From: James Nylen ------------------------------------------------------ No we didn't. Send a link to it instead.

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ After reading your thoughts on his resume, I'm going to make some changes to mine --- but here it is as it stands. There would be another entry in related work experience that I can add (my current job as a sql server dba, network + system admin assistant, and developer) I could also add my awards from the Governor and Adjutant General of Kentucky and my three deployments, but I was told to save that for the interview. I'm also not currently studying at wkctcs as I don't live in ky anymore -- I'm transferring to UTC. "Programming Languages" this section is very broad and I realize that some items shouldn't belong there -- I did that to reduce confusion with my current boss (for some reason the network/sys admin is not the one who interviewed me, it was the director). Other than that, tear me to pieces guys. https://docs.google.com/a/nimblr.us/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B7lfVydcNNMFZjA2NjlkOTItN2UxNy00NmIwLThlZDctY2VlOTc0ZmU0NDVl&hl=en

=============================================================== From: James Nylen ------------------------------------------------------ A few things: - HTML, XHTML, and CSS are acronyms that should be capitalized. I might also combine those points into "HTML/XHTML + CSS". - Don't use semicolons before a bulleted list. If you must punctuate there, use a colon. - "And etcetera" translates as "and and so on". Just say "Video, sound, modem, printer, scanner, camera, etc." - "computer hardware diagnostic and troubleshooting" -> "computer hardware diagnostics and troubleshooting" - "Troubleshooting of Operating Systems and Internet connection issues" -> this reads awkwardly to me. How about "Can troubleshoot Internet connection issues and other operating system problems."

=============================================================== From: Randy Yates ------------------------------------------------------ I'll be a little picky here. HTML, XHTML, and CSS aren't acronyms. They are abbreviations. :)

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ They are actually an initialism.

=============================================================== From: Randy Yates ------------------------------------------------------ Yup you got me on that. Acronyms and Initialisms are both abbreviations. I was partially correct though. HTML is an abbreviation. It's also considered an initialism. Initialisms are abbreviations. HTML is not an acronym, however.

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ I'm not acking a file attachement to the list. Send it directly to them.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 No attachie to list please... Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4grxMACgkQABP1RO+tr2QdxACgqKMkH35f6CHD3+Lpk1aSO/N6 s8wAn1G/7OIxUS9ShZMArWdm4kFmJeMe =xT/O -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Post it to Google Docs Share to public --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HypterText Markup Language Cascading Style Sheets eXtensible HyperText Markup Language acronym: abbreviations formed from the initial components in a phrase or name Nope, as it turns out, they *are* acronyms... Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4gsj8ACgkQABP1RO+tr2Sw4gCfWueL/HyrE81HdySRcv4amnim Z4cAniL05JDAqc35MiAWks4PH6c8xL4M =TJ1i -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ *>HYPTER* --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ I did about three emails ago, can you view it?

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Yes. Sorry. Brain's a bit flustered between various paid gigs and the sound of this metro car... -Cameron Sent via an Android phone wrote:

=============================================================== From: "Robert A. Kelly III" ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HTML and CSS are initialisms, which are also acronyms, which are also abbreviations. XHTML is not strictly an initialism, but I believe it is an acronym, and it's definitely still an abbreviation. I believe acronym is the most specific word that properly refers to all three. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4hBhwACgkQQCTX/7MVrjZjNQCfUKzFmwe7MBRgro5sQQ58ql0+ NgMAnRtHY8oF4f7ZwJ2TClo38cY3+0s4 =MgWg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yeah, it was the original spec, it confused the initialism crowd, so they removed the extra t.... :) Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4hB+QACgkQABP1RO+tr2TpLwCgvxwi7uvUomXa9fz3LDx97Ix6 8b4An3riN7W5XSpZXhObmqaqwTN48nh3 =ttRA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----