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ok unity is usable

From: Rod-Lists 
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I upgraded one of our netbooks to 11.04.
Granted it had 10.04 nrm so it already had unity.  But with 11.04 it is lot less buggy.
once you learn where they moved the furniture so to speak, it is not bad.
it is kind of like getting into one of those cars where the lights and radio controls are on the steering wheel instead of the column & dash.
once you get used to it, it actually may make more sense. At least on a net book.
more later as play with this.

=============================================================== From: Sean Brewer ------------------------------------------------------ Unity in 11.04 is definitely usable. I've been using it at work for a while. Set this as your wallpaper until you know all of the keyboard shortcuts: http://i.imgur.com/pf1y5.png

=============================================================== From: James Nylen ------------------------------------------------------ I like how it tells you what a left click, middle click, and right click are...

=============================================================== From: Adam Jimerson ------------------------------------------------------ You know your window manager / desktop environment is messed up when you need to write down key shortcuts to use it

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You use a mouse in your windowing environment?!?! Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4dsmgACgkQABP1RO+tr2Qf5gCfYai1jIWR2dLKgx5ZdAswtbM0 jW4AoI+Ksi5vydb47IVGC1QX1c3vD/BA =s+Ed -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ there is no right or wrong shortcuts just what your used to. Shortcuts in straight openbox are different than gnome. Gnome and unity have some that are the same and some that are different. Some are starting to say linux is too configerable. I'm not one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Jimerson" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:56:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] ok unity is usable You know your window manager / desktop environment is messed up when you need to write down key shortcuts to use it

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ How would you explain middle click, something not all pc users understand, to the ipad generation? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Nylen" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 10:54:34 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] ok unity is usable I like how it tells you what a left click, middle click, and right click are... Unity in 11.04 is definitely usable. I've been using it at work for a while. Set this as your wallpaper until you know all of the keyboard shortcuts: http://i.imgur.com/pf1y5.png I upgraded one of our netbooks to 11.04. Granted it had 10.04 nrm so it already had unity. But with 11.04 it is lot less buggy. once you learn where they moved the furniture so to speak, it is not bad. it is kind of like getting into one of those cars where the lights and radio controls are on the steering wheel instead of the column & dash. once you get used to it, it actually may make more sense. At least on a net book. more later as play with this.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Just say it's like multitouch - just use your middle finger. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Tom Wilson ------------------------------------------------------ A form of gesture input I have used since the CP/M days.

=============================================================== From: Adam Jimerson ------------------------------------------------------ Not when I'm in awesome everything is mapped to Meta + (some key). I find it alot quicker that way and I put the windoz key to use.

=============================================================== From: Ralph Edge ------------------------------------------------------ headbutt.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Huh? That's one of the reasons I choose to run *nix, is because I can configure everything the way I want. Just try and make your Win 7 or Mac look like OS/2 the way I can with X :) Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4eBkwACgkQABP1RO+tr2S9cQCgwJHG3hva5dZ2n9r4Gh/b52Ox r4EAn2kX70m9/S5l1ZIJW6gVj3EAw4bp =+in8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Very carefully, right after you explain to them what a right-click is... Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4eBnUACgkQABP1RO+tr2RGLwCfe4YgnL0vo61m0EjNoCGcyZ1Z f8YAn3D4r3QnQwSN/WiAo4TMElYgS3ho =ZlLZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 (note, sometimes it helps to actually include what you're responding to, context and all that jazz) I am and have been a CLI user across multiple OSes and still hate the rodent. It does have some uses, but for every 1 I can think of 4 PITAs. Besides all the time you lose re-homing your typing fingers all day long :) Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4eBzIACgkQABP1RO+tr2TSdQCaAyqR65ww5trI02Da04+2XEtD 3/oAnjDKMDarIZK3Rmv9qAENBj/29M3u =bJcg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ The same way you explain pinch-to-zoom, or three-finger swipe to a pc = user. understand, to the ipad generation? Eastern click are... wrote: while. shortcuts: http://i.imgur.com/pf1y5.png wrote: is lot less buggy. bad. radio controls are on the steering wheel instead of the column & dash. a net book.

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ Kind of like how you explain to someone that cellphones really are are = useful things, especially when that someone finds themselves locked out = of a secured building 30 minutes after a meeting that they didn't bother = to RSVP (and therefore the organizers of the meeting thought everyone = was present and accounted for) has started?

=============================================================== From: Micah Breedlove ------------------------------------------------------ I just feel the need to throw out there that this whole concept of "Unity is usable" - imo - is blasphemous! My $0.02 - I still hate it. eful things, especially when that someone finds themselves locked out of a = secured building 30 minutes after a meeting that they didn't bother to RSVP= (and therefore the organizers of the meeting thought everyone was present = and accounted for) has started?

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That particular usefulness only requires a dial-tone and single (pick whatever finger you like most) clicking to dial a number.... :) Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4eGsUACgkQABP1RO+tr2TTqQCfX7gVI/E7NLyXyzrMoHxou2j0 irYAoIh5maakrN1s1Nr9znTris7VhxuL =c+7j -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Please, give me a detailed telling of your attempts to make OS X look = like OS/2, and where the particular failings were in that. C'mon man, you should know better than to snark on products you don't = use just because of word of mouth ;) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJOHsz/AAoJEDSV5GS4KsJ470UH/iKYfZ7H+UWrte4wnBytTC07 E74+1VcGjbzsFpvtJ4qcIGZh6gVZn68Zusa23BbtbNf+AHKs1KzWFJS+5kGfKGJk tzgikSSi3JNW81dJcxzhXdw3+aMsUyaTDRY68YYI5Zkl4xszLC3bVzlidrNhKzGz 7iasxAl9cYAtgDZeawJOn1xW123OsG55MvwI+F/B1kHGe3+iX2bPGoeLwebXAqzf 2QwHai0bFZw7UpAAkq44SK3IrI9Bbn7CWnI7Zo0L5BPJPxOZs3SkjfE7gCQsPQAh iAMfDgMSb5Fk/zrz5Ni6jixDdMJ1n7u8fAkQZffKK7Zlf3Vi4brjw9GiExWT3yo=3D =3DWmdv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I logged in, the moving thing at the bottom made me nauseous, so I gave up. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4e2QcACgkQABP1RO+tr2QWXACeOgkEVFkKQi4DIrye5+tul0Z4 sHgAnRvtXa7//EfdjQUIJe7epuZgrlPa =jSV5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ Haven't tried on a tablet which is one of the target devices. But on a netbook it does have its points. I have read that Dell & HP are big backers of Unity. That is where Canonical is going. And I hope they are successful. I don't want be talking about them 10 years later in the same vein as Commadore and wondering how the computing world would have been different if the Amiga was successful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Micah Breedlove" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:12:31 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] ok unity is usable I just feel the need to throw out there that this whole concept of "Unity is usable" - imo - is blasphemous! My $0.02 - I still hate it.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ This is Flamebait. So... FLAME ON. So you didn't bother to click on "Dock Settings" and "Turn magnifaction off" or "Turn Hiding Off" or uncheck "Animate opening applications" - or any of the other clearly marked, easy to find, obvious things you could have done to stop the Dock - that's what 'that thing" is called, btw - from "moving". Because I got to tell you - any one of the 4 or so different ways to get to those options would have taken you less than 20 seconds to find and do. Also - all of those options are as easy or (much) easier to find and use than any customization tool I've ever seen in Linux. So, you are either an idiot, which I don't believe, or incredibly lazy, which is possible, or lying, which is most likely the case. So, as your obvious anti-apple bias is embarrassingly showing, your opinion doesn't mean squat, and you can go back to playing with your CLI now. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Benjamin Stewart ------------------------------------------------------ I think it's obvious Dave had some Jack in him, or he wouldn't have even tried a Mac! :-P

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:29:38 -0500 Chad Smith wrote: I could also take that Cadillac, weld in some sway bars, cut a whole bunch off of it to lighten it, replace the struts, put new tires on it, reprogram the ECU... Or I could just drive an Audi. Dan

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Click 3 times - no moving dock. I take it back - you are an idiot. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ you seem tense Chad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJeKS0gNz48 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Smith" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:29:38 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] ok unity is usable This is Flamebait. So... FLAME ON. So you didn't bother to click on "Dock Settings" and "Turn magnifaction off" or "Turn Hiding Off" or uncheck "Animate opening applications" - or any of the other clearly marked, easy to find, obvious things you could have done to stop the Dock - that's what 'that thing" is called, btw - from "moving". Because I got to tell you - any one of the 4 or so different ways to get to those options would have taken you less than 20 seconds to find and do. Also - all of those options are as easy or (much) easier to find and use than any customization tool I've ever seen in Linux. So, you are either an idiot, which I don't believe, or incredibly lazy, which is possible, or lying, which is most likely the case. So, as your obvious anti-apple bias is embarrassingly showing, your opinion doesn't mean squat, and you can go back to playing with your CLI now. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya I logged in, the moving thing at the bottom made me nauseous, so I gave up.

=============================================================== From: James Nylen ------------------------------------------------------ You're talking to 2 different people there Chad. But to be fair, reprogramming an ECU is a little different than clicking a few times. If a Mac is a Cadillac, then I'd say Linux is a kit of parts that can yield a luxury car if put together with skill and time. Now that we've got that out of the way, I think the Hitler analogies come next in logical order, right?

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ That's true, James. All the D names/initials and the Borg-like hive-mind mono-voice, it gets confusing. But, anyone comparing *move mouse 3 inches - click - read - move inch - click - move - click* to welding in sway bars and doing major body work on a car is an idiot. Regardless of what they may or may not have said before. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Dee Holtsclaw ------------------------------------------------------ I read Dan's comment as an analogy of desirability and not a level of difficulty. In other words, he would rather "rebuild a Cadillac to be a suitable replacement for an Audi" than deal with the Apple interface. That's solely a matter of preference and may be more appropriate than, let's say, "I'd rather muck out a barn", since that might not be strong enough to indicate his level of distaste. Just because you are overly fond of Apple's GUI does not mean the rest of the world agrees with you.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ That's not what Dan said at all. We was making an analogy - not comparing levels of desirablity. Read it again. I could also take that Cadillac, weld in some sway bars, cut a whole No where can you possible read "I'd rather do this than click a button three times." or "I'd rather do this than use Apple." He was clearly comparing the 2 activities. Rebuilding a Cadi to be an Audi - or turn off the dock on Mac OS X. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Smith" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:13:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] ok unity is usable That's not what Dan said at all. We was making an analogy - not comparing levels of desirablity. Read it again. I could also take that Cadillac, weld in some sway bars, cut a whole bunch off of it to lighten it, replace the struts, put new tires on it, reprogram the ECU... Or I could just drive an Audi. No where can you possible read "I'd rather do this than click a button three times." or "I'd rather do this than use Apple." He was clearly comparing the 2 activities. Rebuilding a Cadi to be an Audi - or turn off the dock on Mac OS X. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya I read Dan's comment as an analogy of desirability and not a level of difficulty. In other words, he would rather "rebuild a Cadillac to be a suitable replacement for an Audi" than deal with the Apple interface. That's solely a matter of preference and may be more appropriate than, let's say, "I'd rather muck out a barn", since that might not be strong enough to indicate his level of distaste. Just because you are overly fond of Apple's GUI does not mean the rest of the world agrees with you.

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:32:02 -0400 Dee Holtsclaw wrote: I meant to compare the Apple to the Cadillac. If you want a Cadillac, by all means, buy a Cadillac. To make an Apple usable to me takes about the same amount of work that turning a Cadillac into an Audi encompasses. I have to figure out what the package manager of the moment is (it used to be Fink, but that has all sorts of problems; I know something replaced it, but, see below, the last Mac I bought didn't get used enough for me to remember what that is). Then I have to get that installed and working, and then wonder why my things are breaking because there are conflicts with the system tools that are 14 revisions behind, and compiled with weird flags, and... ...and meanwhile I have to navigate a menu setting system to turn off the blinky effects which are great for keeping the attention of any nearby 2 year olds, which would be great ... except that I don't have kids. Or I can click on "System->Administration->Synaptic Package Manager", install the tools I want, and it just works. Which is why my MacBook Pro sits unused (I was using it for iOS development) below my previous generation HP laptop (which is going to be repurposed into a camera controller in my new shop, I still don't know what I'm going to use the MacBook Pro for), and why my iPhone 3G got replaced with something I can make and receive[1] calls on, and why I keep trying to love my iPad, but picking it up seems to be just a prelude to finding a laptop. There are people I know for whom Apple products are perfect. I have friends who like Cadillacs. And I should know better than to get dragged into flame wars. Dan [1] Of course I haven't yet replaced AT&T, which means that this is still optimistic, but 50% beats 10%...

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Once again the "Shiny" song and dance. UNLESS YOU ARE USING AN EINK SCREEN, or no screen at all - EVERY OS YOU'VE EVER USED IS SHINY - BLINKING LIGHTS. Even "headless" servers have to be accessed through something - so unless you just blind typing with no montior - YOU ARE STARING AT SHINY BLINKING LIGHTS THE ENTIRE TIME. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ It is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by y'alls knowledge of the GUI, but by your skills with a lightsaber.

=============================================================== From: Eric Wolf ------------------------------------------------------ Oooohhh... shiny, blinky lights of the lightsaber duel... -=--=---=----=----=---=--=-=--=---=----=---=--=-=- Eric B. Wolf 720-334-7734

=============================================================== From: Lynn Dixon ------------------------------------------------------ To bad we can "unsubscribe" from a particular topic :)

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I would have the advantage - my iSaber would apparently be more shiny than the Gnight/Sabenix - ESPECIALLY if it was using the Ubunical Brown crystal. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Dee Holtsclaw ------------------------------------------------------ Walking a client through a command-line procedure on a text-only console: Me: OK, so you hit enter ... what does it say immediately above the cursor? Customer: Nothing. Me: Nothing? Customer: No. The cursor is just sitting there cursing at me.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That isn't true! I loaded Debian on a Gumdrop MAC completely sober this one time..... :) As to the flame bait, I've said it once, I'll say it again, I don't grok the interface. I don't want your widget to stop moving, I want the widget to go away. I want to hit ALT+R or F2 (or any other damn key combination I feel like assigning) and bring up an option to launch a program, that I type in. Or, I want the widget to give me my screen real estate back, so I can launch them from my terminal window. Yeah, I'm biased. I don't like the interface, I don't think like the interface wants me to think to find it useful. I've heard some people like to have others hold their members while relieving themselves, and others to wipe their arses, I don't resemble the wipee nor the wiper there either. To each his own. Regards, dtb Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I access my headless servers via SSH, and I do *NOT* use blinking cursors. Care to try again? Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4fYmoACgkQABP1RO+tr2R6KACfXiH8JuCiokBDeejLqL6yGdZ4 zgIAnjvyUZgPv1AoborbY2fmyhryHUFF =M7pU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ ad hominem isn't like you, man. I respect the fact that you don't like the interface. I'm relatively certain that if you and I were to sit down over over a Mac OS install, I could find a way to rectify your complaints and train it to do what you want to do (and do NOT give me any nonsense about time to configure. If you're willing to make X look like OS/2, you are willing to spend an abnormally large amount of time on UI customization). However, you've got it in your head that you don't like the interface, and I can respect that. However, I have seen you be every bit as vicious as me when you run into someone mouthing off about something with which they have no practical experience. Consider yourself called to account ;)

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ -Cameron Sent via an Android phone

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Hitler. Can we all go outside and play kickball now? -Cameron Sent via an Android phone

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ What are u looking at when you do this? A piece of paper? No, you are look= ing at a SHINY GLOWING BLINKING BOX. It us called a monitor. And if you sti= ll don't get it, try turning off all the lights in the room and then SSHing i= nto your headless box. Oh Wow! You can still see! Are you Superman? Is i= t a miracle? NO, YOU ARE STARING AT A GLOWING SHINY BLINKING MONITOR! - Chad W Smith

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ Don't worry, we hugged it out.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Every time your type - every time you mouse your mouse - every time a new frame of a video is played - every time anything on that big glowing box *APPEARS* to move - it is actually thousands and thousands of tiny shiny glowing boxes blinking from one color to the next. All computer OSes us SHINY BLINKING LIGHTS. They are called PIXELS. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ *shrug* could turn the monitor off and turn the accesibility options on. Unless, of course, you'd like to make the arguement that my computer speakers are also glowing blinky boxes. Many ways to skin the cat.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ omfg Do you do this? You say you *could* - but do you? No. Do you know why? Because it's stupid. It is possible for me to do something like that on my MacBook. *Aside: Just like it is possible for anyone who doesn't like the Dock on OS X to turn it off (YES HATERS - COMPLETELY AND PERMANENTLY OFF). * But - computers are built to work with screens - and those screen glow. My point is all these idiots keep saying "Oooooh! Shiny!" when they are attacking Apple, while the whole time those morons are staring at shiny blinking lights as they type their regurgitated stupidity. No - I'm not saying anyone who doesn't like Mac is stupid. I can easily see someone preferring another interface. But if all you can come up with to explain your preference is "OOOOOH, Shiny!" - then you are an idiot - just like you are trying to make those who do prefer the Mac interface sound. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Billy ------------------------------------------------------ tl;dr --b rame of a video is played - every time anything on that big glowing box *APP= EARS* to move - it is actually thousands and thousands of tiny shiny glowing= boxes blinking from one color to the next. All computer OSes us SHINY BLIN= KING LIGHTS. They are called PIXELS.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ hey your the one using something written in cocoa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Smith" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:57:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] ok unity is usable I would have the advantage - my iSaber would apparently be more shiny than the Gnight/Sabenix - ESPECIALLY if it was using the Ubunical Brown crystal. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ Dave, the best part of OSX is this. Turn on voice recognitionpermently & then speak "computer terminal". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Brockman" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:19:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] ok unity is usable -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That isn't true! I loaded Debian on a Gumdrop MAC completely sober this one time..... :) As to the flame bait, I've said it once, I'll say it again, I don't grok the interface. I don't want your widget to stop moving, I want the widget to go away. I want to hit ALT+R or F2 (or any other damn key combination I feel like assigning) and bring up an option to launch a program, that I type in. Or, I want the widget to give me my screen real estate back, so I can launch them from my terminal window. Yeah, I'm biased. I don't like the interface, I don't think like the interface wants me to think to find it useful. I've heard some people like to have others hold their members while relieving themselves, and others to wipe their arses, I don't resemble the wipee nor the wiper there either. To each his own. Regards, dtb Regards, dtb

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ ever use a Dec writer? http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/la36.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Smith" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:39:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] ok unity is usable What are u looking at when you do this? A piece of paper? No, you are looking at a SHINY GLOWING BLINKING BOX. It us called a monitor. And if you still don't get it, try turning off all the lights in the room and then SSHing into your headless box. Oh Wow! You can still see! Are you Superman? Is it a miracle? NO, YOU ARE STARING AT A GLOWING SHINY BLINKING MONITOR! - Chad W Smith

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ Chad has forgotten the origin of "TTY" back around 1989 I used to generate runtime listings of Fortran programming class assignments and the device I was using in the corner of the Lupton library had no blinking lights whatsoever that I can remember.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ and this relevant to unity how? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Smith" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:57:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] ok unity is usable omfg Do you do this? You say you *could* - but do you? No. Do you know why? Because it's stupid. It is possible for me to do something like that on my MacBook. Aside: Just like it is possible for anyone who doesn't like the Dock on OS X to turn it off (YES HATERS - COMPLETELY AND PERMANENTLY OFF). But - computers are built to work with screens - and those screen glow. My point is all these idiots keep saying "Oooooh! Shiny!" when they are attacking Apple, while the whole time those morons are staring at shiny blinking lights as they type their regurgitated stupidity. No - I'm not saying anyone who doesn't like Mac is stupid. I can easily see someone preferring another interface. But if all you can come up with to explain your preference is "OOOOOH, Shiny!" - then you are an idiot - just like you are trying to make those who do prefer the Mac interface sound. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya What are u looking at when you do this? A piece of paper? No, you are looking at a SHINY GLOWING BLINKING BOX. It us called a monitor. And if you still don't get it, try turning off all the lights in the room and then SSHing into your headless box. Oh Wow! You can still see! Are you Superman? Is it a miracle? NO, YOU ARE STARING AT A GLOWING SHINY BLINKING MONITOR! *shrug* could turn the monitor off and turn the accesibility options on. Unless, of course, you'd like to make the arguement that my computer speakers are also glowing blinky boxes. Many ways to skin the cat.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Obviously, we're talking about different user interfaces. And I wasn't the one who brought Macs into this. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ http://media.photobucket.com/image/animated%20beating%20a%20dead%20horse/RaulMonkey/Animated/beating-a-dead-horse.gif?o=1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Smith" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 9:20:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] ok unity is usable Obviously, we're talking about different user interfaces. And I wasn't the one who brought Macs into this. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya and this relevant to unity how? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Smith" < chad78@gmail.com > To: "CHUGALUG" < chugalug@chugalug.org > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 8:57:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] ok unity is usable omfg Do you do this? You say you *could* - but do you? No. Do you know why? Because it's stupid. It is possible for me to do something like that on my MacBook. Aside: Just like it is possible for anyone who doesn't like the Dock on OS X to turn it off (YES HATERS - COMPLETELY AND PERMANENTLY OFF). But - computers are built to work with screens - and those screen glow. My point is all these idiots keep saying "Oooooh! Shiny!" when they are attacking Apple, while the whole time those morons are staring at shiny blinking lights as they type their regurgitated stupidity. No - I'm not saying anyone who doesn't like Mac is stupid. I can easily see someone preferring another interface. But if all you can come up with to explain your preference is "OOOOOH, Shiny!" - then you are an idiot - just like you are trying to make those who do prefer the Mac interface sound. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya What are u looking at when you do this? A piece of paper? No, you are looking at a SHINY GLOWING BLINKING BOX. It us called a monitor. And if you still don't get it, try turning off all the lights in the room and then SSHing into your headless box. Oh Wow! You can still see! Are you Superman? Is it a miracle? NO, YOU ARE STARING AT A GLOWING SHINY BLINKING MONITOR! *shrug* could turn the monitor off and turn the accesibility options on. Unless, of course, you'd like to make the arguement that my computer speakers are also glowing blinky boxes. Many ways to skin the cat.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ maybe we should ship him a dec writer or something similar? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed King" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:52:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] ok unity is usable Chad has forgotten the origin of "TTY" back around 1989 I used to generate runtime listings of Fortran programming class assignments and the device I was using in the corner of the Lupton library had no blinking lights whatsoever that I can remember. From: Chad Smith To: CHUGALUG Sent: Thu, July 14, 2011 7:48:01 PM Subject: Re: [Chugalug] ok unity is usable Every time your type - every time you mouse your mouse - every time a new frame of a video is played - every time anything on that big glowing box *APPEARS* to move - it is actually thousands and thousands of tiny shiny glowing boxes blinking from one color to the next. All computer OSes us SHINY BLINKING LIGHTS. They are called PIXELS. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya What are u looking at when you do this? A piece of paper? No, you are looking at a SHINY GLOWING BLINKING BOX. It us called a monitor. And if you still don't get it, try turning off all the lights in the room and then SSHing into your headless box. Oh Wow! You can still see! Are you Superman? Is it a miracle? NO, YOU ARE STARING AT A GLOWING SHINY BLINKING MONITOR! - Chad W Smith

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ I have an IBM Selectric I can spare maybe we should ship him a dec writer or something similar? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed King" To: "CHUGALUG"

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ It doesn't have com ports. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Kraus" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 10:03:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] ok unity is usable I have an IBM Selectric I can spare maybe we should ship him a dec writer or something similar? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed King" < chevyiinova@bellsouth.net > To: "CHUGALUG"

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ first official Hackerspace project: to make a genuine tty out of Steven's Selectric or die trying

=============================================================== From: Dee Holtsclaw ------------------------------------------------------ Good idea. I think there's still a Teletype ASR-33 at my grandparent's house I could loan out for nostalgia. It still has a working 8-level punch and a built-in modem with a rotary dialer. I actually learned BASIC from analyzing a listing of a text-based Star Trek game printed on an LA-36 terminal. This was off the PDP-11/70 at Cleveland State early in my Junior year of HS (I was taking an electronics class for HS there and two of us got sent to resolder some RS-232 cables in the lab). The next summer I wrote a little program that got me in trouble -- the only reason I was caught was that they knew I was the only one that was capable of writing it. It was kinda weird having the professors and IT staff coming to me for help when I wasn't even a real student there yet.

=============================================================== From: Chris Mowery ------------------------------------------------------ The guys that were in IT then probably just left within the last two years. They mentioned the PDP-11 in passing a while back discussing the history of our servers here at Cleveland State. Chris

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ Ed I think dee has shamed us. I don't have a working tty, do you? I do have old 286 portable with a 40 column half screen lcd display. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee Holtsclaw" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 10:15:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] ok unity is usable Good idea. I think there's still a Teletype ASR-33 at my grandparent's house I could loan out for nostalgia. It still has a working 8-level punch and a built-in modem with a rotary dialer. I actually learned BASIC from analyzing a listing of a text-based Star Trek game printed on an LA-36 terminal. This was off the PDP-11/70 at Cleveland State early in my Junior year of HS (I was taking an electronics class for HS there and two of us got sent to resolder some RS-232 cables in the lab). The next summer I wrote a little program that got me in trouble -- the only reason I was caught was that they knew I was the only one that was capable of writing it. It was kinda weird having the professors and IT staff coming to me for help when I wasn't even a real student there yet.

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Oldest I have is a pentium pro Ed I think dee has shamed us. I don't have a working tty, do you? I do have old 286 portable with a 40 column half screen lcd display. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee Holtsclaw" To: "CHUGALUG" maybe we should ship him a dec writer or something ...

=============================================================== From: Dee Holtsclaw ------------------------------------------------------ When I was there they had just gotten the PDP-11 and still had IBM 029 punches and a card-sorter. Which was convenient since I used the 029 to make a bunch of cards which read "SORROW" or "PAIN" when held up to a light (yes, I threw them during the RHPS showing at Eastgate). The regular terminals were Hazeltine 1500's (and some 1400's -- hated having to use one of those).

=============================================================== From: Dee Holtsclaw ------------------------------------------------------ Well ... there's also several Teletype model 15's if you like dealing with Baudot. And tape punches, readers, ham RTTY gear, ... Oh, and a Selectric with the mag-card reader -- might be easier to adapt as a terminal than one without.

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ I don't have any ttys, unless you count the 2 on my chest, and they're useless oldest terminals I have are the Televideo 910 I got from you, and a Texas Instruments 931 that I got from John (along with a TI990 cpu, tape drive, and disc drive) http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ti/990/terminal/2229228-0001A

=============================================================== From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)" ------------------------------------------------------ When will Congress legalize tranquilizer darts so we can get this over with= ? :P s us ary , you are nd if you re you SHINY BLINKING

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.steampunkr.com/anique-computer-console/

=============================================================== From: Tom Wilson ------------------------------------------------------ Some of us like Mac. Some of us "Think Different" enough as it is and don't need further encouragement Some of us like Ubuntu. Some of us think it is Debian with training wheels, a basket and a helmet. Some of us like Unity. Some of us think the designers were sniffing industrial adhesives. Now that all of this has been established and the thread has been Godwin'd, I second the kickball motion.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I almost wish I'd kept the (mini)VAX from Hayes.... but it didn't survive all the moves in ATL, let alone the move out of it... Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4gsJIACgkQABP1RO+tr2TmHACfXO+zVm+6OsFnJfiGBAV6qTrP VZUAoICK182gGZzDmNZMGzXj8L41L1jV =FaOd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----