Hackerspace website

From: "K. Elise Walker" 
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Just a quick question... why is it being written in ruby? Wouldn't it  
be more efficient and easier to just write it in CSS/HTML and get it  
over with??

Thank you for the opportunity to work with you. I look forward to your  
reply.

K. Elise Walker
Design and Development Specialist
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=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ If the goal is to have changing content, why aren't you using a CMS or just plain old markup? --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ While I am vocal in my dislike of Ruby devs, I do understand why you would use it to code a site. What strikes me as odd is the question and subsequent response of using essentially flat file CSS/HTML instead of a framework to develop a site. I would think the framework site would be more functional and easier to maintain than a CSS/HTML site. Especially for normal people or those with limited time. This is why I use Drupal for quick and dirty projects. -AW

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ +1 on using a framework or CMS (regardless of the underlying language = it's written in) rather than flat files and CSS/HTML. would use it to code a site. What strikes me as odd is the question and = subsequent response of using essentially flat file CSS/HTML instead of a = framework to develop a site. I would think the framework site would be = more functional and easier to maintain than a CSS/HTML site. Especially = for normal people or those with limited time. This is why I use Drupal = for quick and dirty projects. wrote: be more efficient and easier to just write it in CSS/HTML and get it = over with?? reply.

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ My question is -- if you are using Ruby, is it all out-right rails or are we using something more peared down like Sinatra or Frank? --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Jason Brown ------------------------------------------------------ As much as I hate Ruby, I completely agree it is still better than flat css/html for a changing site. Then again getting shot in the head is better than being eaten alive by velociraptors which is better than being Jeff Goldblum etc etc.. --Jason

=============================================================== From: Jason Brown ------------------------------------------------------ Disclaimer for the new folks: "Jason hates everything" (except Life cereal oddly enough). --Jason

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Honeycomb big, yeah yeah yeah! It's not small no no no! --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Ralph Edge ------------------------------------------------------ lol @ all the Ruby haters - I'm a fan of it myself(though its one of several of my favorite tools of the trade). So what do you dislike about it?

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ I love me some Ruby. Very elegant. Gems for everything. I don't like the performance of the default interpreter (MRI) and the developer community irritates me far worse than Christian Bale's Batman voice. --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Ralph Edge ------------------------------------------------------ Agreed about the interpreter. While some of the dev community can be a bit immature, I think the majority of them are really great people.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Just to nit-pick, you can have a flat-file CSS/HTML framework as well. Now, why someone would use Rails (or any other bloated environment, like Java or .NET). Hell, my very, very first attempt at a CMS (pre-database even) was a just a few .php files with a few variables at the top. The user changed the variables. Link Indexes were a text file with a similar list set of variables. No, actually, I think my very first just used SSI. Making shit pretty, eye-catchy, and requiring the use of a mouse does not a better product make, I don't give a flying frig what the so-called usability experts say. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4KOOoACgkQABP1RO+tr2SZGwCeOxFQCXNmeRQg7Y8Br8qkRTBH hYgAn1M1074Ot5maoWjYo1Go+vnHUafO =rZDC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ That's funny, because when I do usability I make sure that you can use tab first, mouse second. --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You are a rare, dying breed.... Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4KQGoACgkQABP1RO+tr2RjpwCdGFfaZdHscTmCqr9io39JPp35 OgIAoKJPairmFNrg6eCnrZK7LUg4/ZTB =Dn0W -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ You might be surprised how people access websites when they're blind/have no arm/rely on other assistive technologies. --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 No I wouldn't. You might be surprised how much time you lose every time you take your hand off the keyboard to move and then click the mouse. It absolutely drives me batshit. Trust me, outside of the those you mention, I am one of the most aware of what sites do and do not properly work with tab navigation. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4KQbcACgkQABP1RO+tr2QmzgCgj2jn4k3qRjy5JD5w4dfBiAyA LxcAn0VAgg3uv8RXz8QOokyfFi304M0q =h20X -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Joshua Estes ------------------------------------------------------ 1) If your site has few pages (ie one page) then using straight html and css would be the way to go. 2) Don't reinvent the wheel. There's a ton of CMS's already out there. Pick one and use it. 3) Rails is a framework, it's not a CMS. (Here comes the rant) most ruby "developers", and I have stated this before, do not know the difference between a framework and a language. On top of that, the framework has lowered the bar for programmers so you get every Tom, Dick, and Harry thinking they know how to develop. - Joshua Estes http://www.ScenicCityLabs.com http://www.ChattanoogaDevelopers.com @JoshuaEstes @ScenicCityLabs @ChattDevelopers "If you live periods of your life in misery, when you remember back to those times, all you'll remember is the misery. The misery robs you of great memories you could otherwise be making." e

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ What CMS would the general consensus prefer? wordpress, joomala, drupal, etc etc

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Drupal -Cameron Sent via an Android phone wrote: properly

=============================================================== From: Joshua Estes ------------------------------------------------------ Speaking of Raptors, http://www.zurb.com/playground/jquery-raptorize - Joshua Estes http://www.ScenicCityLabs.com http://www.ChattanoogaDevelopers.com @JoshuaEstes @ScenicCityLabs @ChattDevelopers "If you live periods of your life in misery, when you remember back to those times, all you'll remember is the misery. The misery robs you of great memories you could otherwise be making."

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ +1 Drupal -AW te: me rly

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yay, finally we can move on from the PHP haters that use this argument. Good to know there is finally a lower common denominator. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4KVjkACgkQABP1RO+tr2TekgCgthhyYedYlBv/lCwjI9VnPOb2 oIgAoJJgn7alEUUSRAn/OCGOmMe6HxQi =qol6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ Thy wish come true. http://chattahack.com/

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Dude change your admin password -Cameron Sent via an Android phone wrote: mouse.

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ no, wait I'm not done yet! ;-)

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ huh?

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ Server. website. database? I have many passwords what's the issue

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ Drupal is up, I switched to a different database solution

=============================================================== From: "K. Elise Walker" ------------------------------------------------------ I just still have to ask because it wasn't really clarified.. is there gong to be changing content? who is writing the changing content? is it going to be whoever uses the space or has projects? or just one person (guessing Ryan). I just worry that this will turn out to be a site like the previous redmine where two or three people posted to it, and no one responded. I just don't see a need for all the bells and whistles if it's not going to be used. It's just as easy to put up a 1 page site that is pretty that says all the details short and sweet with the address and contact info and leave it at that. I only bring this up because one of the top trends for the past year and half in the design community has been single page sites using anchored links. Just sayin'.. I haven't tried it myself yet because I haven't had the time to revamp my site yet, but that is one of my plans.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ what she said. BTW are their local technical rss or atom feeds that the site should follow on the aggregator? Should forums be enable (for noobs)? I really think a place for non geeks to ask questions is important. Suggest at least one node be dedicated to cool (on subject) videos. perhaps and audio feed as well? You may or may not want to enable blogging and the blog api. strongly suggest you get a team of editors picked out. And check out the zen theme. It uses css to make alterations. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K. Elise Walker" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 3:45:12 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Hackerspace website I just still have to ask because it wasn't really clarified.. is there gong to be changing content? who is writing the changing content? is it going to be whoever uses the space or has projects? or just one person (guessing Ryan). I just worry that this will turn out to be a site like the previous redmine where two or three people posted to it, and no one responded. I just don't see a need for all the bells and whistles if it's not going to be used. It's just as easy to put up a 1 page site that is pretty that says all the details short and sweet with the address and contact info and leave it at that. I only bring this up because one of the top trends for the past year and half in the design community has been single page sites using anchored links. Just sayin'.. I haven't tried it myself yet because I haven't had the time to revamp my site yet, but that is one of my plans. Drupal is up, I switched to a different database solution Server. website. database? I have many passwords what's the issue huh? Dude change your admin password -Cameron Sent via an Android phone

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ Great suggestions rod-lists! I believe a simple website in the beginning wouldn't be a bad idea, we can def do that with drupal. Let us see what kind of feed back we get @ the hash out sessions and gravitate in the direction.

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Well, here's my perspective: While there are many, your site needs to serve two personas: - Members of the hackspace, who need to gain access to legitimate information related to the group - Those who are interested in becoming members, and want to learn about the space, group, the governance Right now the first goal is to meet the needs of those who showed up and want to become the first members, so build out for the first group. I think all the organizers need to visit some other hackspace sites to get an idea on taxonomy and structure. And maybe visit an actual hackspace to mingle and network. Freeside Atlanta is planning on another open house next saturday. --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ IIRC, wasn't there going tobe some sort of Craigslist style trading post? I could see a forum, and a blog. The forum for questions, etc. A blog (each person could have their own blog, or just make it where only the creator of a post, and/or an admin can delete / edit existing posts) for projects and news. In theory, a forum could be used for all those things, but it definitely works better if projects are in a blog, or at least completed projects. That is, if they are projects you want to advertise. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ Rome wasn't built in a day. Ryan, keep up the good work

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ I don't disagree with keeping a static front door. That may have been a mistake i did my last site. The users are old school and very befuddled by "blog" sites. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Macy" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:23:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Hackerspace website Great suggestions rod-lists! I believe a simple website in the beginning wouldn't be a bad idea, we can def do that with drupal. Let us see what kind of feed back we get @ the hash out sessions and gravitate in the direction. what she said. BTW are their local technical rss or atom feeds that the site should follow on the aggregator? Should forums be enable (for noobs)? I really think a place for non geeks to ask questions is important. Suggest at least one node be dedicated to cool (on subject) videos. perhaps and audio feed as well? You may or may not want to enable blogging and the blog api. strongly suggest you get a team of editors picked out. And check out the zen theme. It uses css to make alterations. ----- Original Message ----- From: "K. Elise Walker" < werkewdesign@gmail.com > To: "CHUGALUG" < chugalug@chugalug.org > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 3:45:12 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Hackerspace website I just still have to ask because it wasn't really clarified.. is there gong to be changing content? who is writing the changing content? is it going to be whoever uses the space or has projects? or just one person (guessing Ryan). I just worry that this will turn out to be a site like the previous redmine where two or three people posted to it, and no one responded. I just don't see a need for all the bells and whistles if it's not going to be used. It's just as easy to put up a 1 page site that is pretty that says all the details short and sweet with the address and contact info and leave it at that. I only bring this up because one of the top trends for the past year and half in the design community has been single page sites using anchored links. Just sayin'.. I haven't tried it myself yet because I haven't had the time to revamp my site yet, but that is one of my plans. Drupal is up, I switched to a different database solution Server. website. database? I have many passwords what's the issue huh? Dude change your admin password -Cameron Sent via an Android phone

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Read hackers remember Apache has the original CMS built in already.. Look up/google: "Server Side Includes" (I have e-mail via ssh relay, but no web access to google it for you..) It's amazing what you can do with it if you are careful.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Real hackers don't use spellcheck. (Even though spellcheck wouldn't have told you that Read isn't how you spell Real.) ;) - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Lee Walker ------------------------------------------------------ Are you far along with the website already ? If not, I can volunteer to do it. I'm a Drupal developer, and that would be my choice for something like this. I'd be happy to help if that fits with you. I figure with everything else you have to do to get a Hackerspace going, it would be a nice project to hand off to just get done. -- Lee Walker www.codejourneymen.com

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Already covered that rant :) Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4Lj5MACgkQABP1RO+tr2TwIgCgssmdGWPlW+tBMoW3d4eFzdl8 vKMAn0lAt/hyCIHK1+2KOwphC2SZ7qjz =TdSS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Dee Holtsclaw ------------------------------------------------------ Well ... there are grammar checkers ... but I avoid them after continually achieving a 14-15 grade reading level on what I write (ie: like an insurance policy).

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Hey! I remember those! They were really cool back in 1998. --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Dtb: ok.. I was only speed reading my chugalug.... While in a meeting. You are now moderator pro-temp and get the nerf-ul clue bat of cluefullness. Kewl news on topic: #2 IT guy at client in far away is a linux nutcase and is loving we got them to install a linux server. Life is good.

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ Sadly, most users have their big foam hats of stupidity on, so the cluebat is only of limited effectiveness

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ And I can start a fire with some dry brush, a rock and a stick, and = weave cloth to sew my own clothes, but I prefer to use the igniter on my = gas cooktop and shop for clothing. I'm having a hard time seeing how = that's a reflection on a person's intelligence. cluefullness.=20 cluebat is only of limited effectiveness

=============================================================== From: Kenneth Ratliff ------------------------------------------------------ You must not read User Friendly ;) http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030211

=============================================================== From: Donna Appleget ------------------------------------------------------ Like s written in) rather than flat files and CSS/HTML.

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ Ah. I don't but I see a little clearer now. :) Sorry, It's just been a shitty day. weave cloth to sew my own clothes, but I prefer to use the igniter on my = gas cooktop and shop for clothing. I'm having a hard time seeing how = that's a reflection on a person's intelligence.

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ Sure could use the help! After the hash out sessions lets sit down and talk