Slightly OT: Satellite Payload Suggestions

From: Stephen Kraus 
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Hey guys, this is SLIGHTLY off topic, I'd say its on topic as the inertial
navigation system for my soon to be constructed satellite uses a form of
CentOS.

Trying to figure out payloads to put on my microsatellite, someones already
suggested a gimbal mounted camera.

Any thoughts?

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Did I miss something in the three months I refused to be involved with Chugalug? When did we start building satellites? --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ I just have too many expensive hobbies and recently started synthesizing rocket fuel, and sure enough I decided it was time to build my own little satellite.

=============================================================== From: Smitty ------------------------------------------------------ Because sometimes your only option is to nuke it from orbit, just to be sure..

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ "What are we going to do today Brain? Why the same thing we do every day Pinky... Take over the world!!" -AW

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ I'm trying to avoid weapons, even though the SALT treaty is pretty much in the trash... And yes someone already suggested ion cannons and rail guns

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ I miss you all. --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ Ok, so lets recap why the NSA and CIA just kicked in doors: 1. Mentioned nuke and orbit 2. Making rocket fuel at home 3. Original poster is on active duty in the Air Force Just wanted to cover that... Please proceed. -AW PS - In a smartass mood after reading people whine and complain that a great LOCAL company got a contract opportunity for a much needed redo of the city's website.

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ My COs and NCOs are quite aware of my activities.

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ Collaborators... the plot thickens. -AW

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ CIA will be kicking their doors next. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 My COs and NCOs are quite aware of my activities. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Aaron welch = wrote: Ok, so lets recap why the NSA and CIA just kicked in doors: 1. Mentioned nuke and orbit 2. Making rocket fuel at home 3. Original poster is on active duty in the Air Force Just wanted to cover that... Please proceed. -AW PS - In a smartass mood after reading people whine and complain that a = great LOCAL company got a contract opportunity for a much needed redo of = the city's website. =20

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ great LOCAL company got a contract opportunity for a much needed redo of the city's website. presence that includes a focus on easier access to public records via API OH DEAR SWEET GOD ATLANTA DOESN'T DO ANY OF THAT AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Dee Holtsclaw ------------------------------------------------------ FYI -- Jack Zielke owns "takeovertheworld.org". No idea if he'd be amenable to giving you an email forwarder / account but you could always ask. wrote: wrote:

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ To be semi serious: Any ideas for payloads?

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ This thing

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ High intensity laser (non-lethal) to help locate said object in the sky. Remembering the green laser I used to have that could be seen clear on the other side of Vegas ~15 miles away. Would be cool to have people try and find it at night. -AW

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Saddly I stopped doing AI development much beyond games a long time ago

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ This is a good idea, most original tracking was going to be setup via a radio beam, but it would be nice to be able to spot it. At the same time, I don't know how long it will stay in orbit or if I can include ways to push it to a higher orbit.

=============================================================== From: Dee Holtsclaw ------------------------------------------------------ Considering that you said MICRO satelite, I would assume that rules out anything with high energy consumption (particle beams, lasers, etc.). I'd also assume you already include transceivers for CnC, repeater use and the like. To suggest anything else, we'd at least need to know the projected orbit distance (LEO, Geosync, ...), if there's any maneuvering capabilities (debris and sat killer avoidance) and power availability.

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Is it even legal to launch a microsatellite with rocket fuel? I mean, does the FAA know you're going to shoot something into at least LEO? --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Well....its micro for me. Currentl the satellite is projected to be 7" long by 5.5 inches in diameter. It is designed to have a CO2 charge manuevering system that I build out of an old paintball gun using CO2 catridges. The Outside of the tube has solar cells covering it, and there will be spring loaded solar panels on two (or four, not sure at this point) spring loaded solar panels that will open once a command is sent via low power VHF. The solar panels charge a set of lithium ion batteries, and the primary controller is an ATMEL microcontroller running CentOS off of a compact flash. Orbit is undecided at this time, waiting on calculation for fuel needed for rocket and some help from some friends

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ As far as I know its legal. I'm still months off from even beginning rocket assembly, at that time I will consult with the FAA about launch windows.

=============================================================== From: Dee Holtsclaw ------------------------------------------------------ The FAA and/or NASA might not matter. He never mentioned where he planned to launch from (which could be Afghanistan for all we know).

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ It will be launched from Wyoming, from an old cement pad at an abandoned Atlas silo out in the country. I've scouted some places for launch, and most are very clear of civil air traffic.

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ Hmmm... Just because a "thing" is still legal to do, does not mean yon govt = entity actually wants you to do it, or is going to be pleasant and = helpful. In fact it is likely that discussing this with the FAA will get = you on a LIST. Launch and beg forgiveness. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 As far as I know its legal. I'm still months off from even beginning = rocket assembly, at that time I will consult with the FAA about launch = windows. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Cameron Kilgore = wrote: Is it even legal to launch a microsatellite with rocket fuel? I mean, = does the FAA know you're going to shoot something into at least LEO? --Cameron Considering that you said MICRO satelite, I would assume that rules out anything with high energy consumption (particle beams, lasers, etc.). = I'd also assume you already include transceivers for CnC, repeater use and = the like. To suggest anything else, we'd at least need to know the projected orbit distance (LEO, Geosync, ...), if there's any maneuvering = capabilities (debris and sat killer avoidance) and power availability.

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ My chain of command has recommended I talk with the FAA prior to launch. I'm trying to stay on peoples good side as I enjoy my hobbies and would hate to be told I can't do what I enjoy

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ any chance the Russkies have a spy satellite pointed at yon pad? Would = not a launch of your little rocket look a tiny bit like a Silo launch? Food for thought.... =20 Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 It will be launched from Wyoming, from an old cement pad at an abandoned = Atlas silo out in the country. I've scouted some places for launch, and = most are very clear of civil air traffic. does The FAA and/or NASA might not matter. He never mentioned where he = planned to launch from (which could be Afghanistan for all we know). out etc.). I'd and maneuvering availability.

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ No, in accordance with the original SALT treaty, when the Atlas silos were disabled and the missiles removed, the Russians took photos to verify. This is the same reason the aircraft boneyard has all the B-52s spread out....for the Russians to count. Besides, what I'm launching would be nowhere near as large a launch plume as a ICBM

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ P...ph...ph...Phil... You don't want to hit a 747 with anything. --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ As long as its cool with his chain of command he is golden. There isn't any ucmj laws against rockets as far as I remember. (Mp)

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ Perhaps some small bike tire style CO^2 cartridges

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Google Phone, so you can say you put an Android in space. Lasers are good. Homing Beacon. HAL 9000 Bacon - Pigs in Space, plus, everything is better with Bacon. A 4G WifI Hotspot that covers the WORLD. 8-Track TiVo My toenail clippings, so I can say I've been in space. A giant spotlight An mp3 player with a speaker playing sound effects from Star Wars outspace fight scenes at full blast - for irony. (In case you don't get it.) A Windows phone - what else are you going to do with it? A monkey - IDK, it was the cool thing to do back int he 50s and 60s. Richard Branson - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ ham radio repeater. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Kraus" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 4:26:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Chugalug] Slightly OT: Satellite Payload Suggestions Hey guys, this is SLIGHTLY off topic, I'd say its on topic as the inertial navigation system for my soon to be constructed satellite uses a form of CentOS. Trying to figure out payloads to put on my microsatellite, someones already suggested a gimbal mounted camera. Any thoughts?

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ scratch that tonido plug server running tor. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Kraus" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 4:26:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [Chugalug] Slightly OT: Satellite Payload Suggestions Hey guys, this is SLIGHTLY off topic, I'd say its on topic as the inertial navigation system for my soon to be constructed satellite uses a form of CentOS. Trying to figure out payloads to put on my microsatellite, someones already suggested a gimbal mounted camera. Any thoughts?

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ make saucer shape and fill it triops shrimp. And pry that comics rays don't transform them into something from a 50's B movie. http://www.google.com/search?pq=3+eyed+shrimp&hl=en&authuser=0&cp=6&gs

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ here's another whine and complaint: why can't the city's well paid I.T. staff redo their own website? sheesh! http://www.chattanoogan.com/articles/article

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Hey Stephen, you still have that geocaching thing? That would be an awesome payload.\ --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ I could shove it in there to put it into low orbit, maybe even release it Hey Stephen, you still have that geocaching thing? That would be an awesome payload.\ --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ wrong subject but interesting data. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Harrison" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 12:10:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Slightly OT: Satellite Payload Suggestions

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ Thank you all for your payload suggestions, I'll let you know what makes the cut, currently the only thing included is VHF Radio, Gimbal Mounted Camera, Inertial Nav System.

=============================================================== From: Benjamin Stewart ------------------------------------------------------ How about some type of flare you could shoot back at the atmosphere, to make your own shooting star at a designated time/place? I've always wanted to whack a golf ball from the shuttle back toward the Earth!

=============================================================== From: Dan Lyke ------------------------------------------------------ On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Ed King wrote: IT is not development. Which could be an interesting "how the culture of computing has evolved over the years" rant. Back when we all developed in-house solutions and developed internal databases for such things this stuff was a hell of a lot easier than now when everything is provided by modern vertical solutions providers and the IT staff just keeps it running. On the other hand, this last weekend I was reminded of a setup where, in the early '90s, Mike and I hooked up his maintenance management software (HTMMS) to a Chattanooga based big fabrication facility's internal IT systems after their IT group said it couldn't be done. We wrote some glue code to enter and extract data via ProComm scripts masquerading as a terminal (we may also have had some C that recognized terminal behavior and dealt with the database stuff on the HTMMS end). The group we wrote the system for loved it. The IT department was *not* happy. Dan

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=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ I don't have any knowledge in regards to the roles the City of Chattanooga IT Department has, nor if they have the time to do a site redesign, so know that I have no horse in this i'm going to nod out and get back to my government project of screaming at the local transit authority for a (redacted) GTFS feed. --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Wow.... then I don't have an opinion and am incapable of playing devil's advocate on this one. I daily run into "IT departments" that can't do anything but stare blankly at a command prompt. On any OS. Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4KQIIACgkQABP1RO+tr2TN4QCfSe3H3AQxBlI15n2z3GyN4RPS 9TsAnAp1C4gm94Yt2s3dDwxc2qQ2Rl9v =YGwT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hehe, and here I was going to hijack your rant and start complaining about GUIs dumbing IT down because they hide what really happens. I liked the black magic tech (because 99.9% of the time it was *nix under the hood of some flavor) because ... well, I smelled the magic odor of the magic tech :) There was that one poor bastardized NT40 box that they did everything they could to turn NT into Unix. It didn't even run the native IPv4 stack. It killed me looking at the hacking that went into that -- even in 2004 there were perfectly viable options on Linux and BSD for what that box did -- it was replaced by black magic running Linux actually :) Damn good hardware though, that little SMC 1U box is *still* running OpenBSD version *cough* *cough* *cough*. That's about to get impressive for an Intel box..... :) Regards, dtb -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk4KUysACgkQABP1RO+tr2TrzACePYHmTHjtOe0HoYZedGYh7aa1 92oAnA8XzUld+1ej1cFsaRIGBF9N9LcB =Mg4t -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ Rod must have missed the email with the comment from Aaron that brought the county website discussion under this subject heading. btw, the salary list shown on chattanoogan.com is incomplete; notice there is an arbitrary cut-off of 60k/yr. I have never worked for City government but if its like the County was when I was working there, then there are several developers/programmers in the I.T. department payroll who did not make the list because their salary is below the arbitrary cut-off. The complete list is probably public information but they'll probably charge you $50 to put it on a cd-rom... damn you nosey taxpayers, lol. Congrats to MayCreate but I still say the City should be smart enough to build/maintain their own friggin website(s). OMG, crack open a book and learn something new! ----- Original Message ---- From: Rod-Lists To: Mike Harrison ; CHUGALUG Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 9:37:43 AM Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Slightly OT: Satellite Payload Suggestions wrong subject but interesting data. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Harrison" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 12:10:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Slightly OT: Satellite Payload Suggestions

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ remind me to tell you about the $250 floppy the Mayors office (real one not the county) didn't want give me. And I declare this thread to have been threadjacked! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed King" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 7:57:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Slightly OT: Satellite Payload Suggestions Rod must have missed the email with the comment from Aaron that brought the county website discussion under this subject heading. btw, the salary list shown on chattanoogan.com is incomplete; notice there is an arbitrary cut-off of 60k/yr. I have never worked for City government but if its like the County was when I was working there, then there are several developers/programmers in the I.T. department payroll who did not make the list because their salary is below the arbitrary cut-off. The complete list is probably public information but they'll probably charge you $50 to put it on a cd-rom... damn you nosey taxpayers, lol. Congrats to MayCreate but I still say the City should be smart enough to build/maintain their own friggin website(s). OMG, crack open a book and learn something new! ----- Original Message ---- From: Rod-Lists To: Mike Harrison ; CHUGALUG Sent: Mon, June 27, 2011 9:37:43 AM Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Slightly OT: Satellite Payload Suggestions wrong subject but interesting data. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Harrison" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 12:10:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Slightly OT: Satellite Payload Suggestions