Chattanooga Hackerspace

From: Ryan Macy 
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I've been thinking about getting something like what Atlanta is doing setup
here in chattanooga.

I am very willing to put a large portion of my time getting something setup
.

There are some spaces available on main street that have around 6000 sqft
and have apartments zoned in the top floor. We could use the first floor as
hacker space, the second as "co-op" coder/office space and then rent the
loft's upstairs out.

Also it would give us the ability to groom talent for our city and locate
talent that already exists. We could promote interest in computers, open
source software, science, and such.

I picked up some rack servers from Aaron that I would be happy to put
towards the space and if anyone has items that they may want to donate --
contact me.

If anyone is interested in this please let me know!

=============================================================== From: Ben Romines ------------------------------------------------------ Depending on the price i may know some trustworthy people that would want to rent the loft if this were to happen! Im very interested in something along these lines because i feel i would be able to learn loads from the people that would be hanging around. I dont have equipment, but i do have time that im willing to donate. setup up sqft as pen

=============================================================== From: Bret McHone ------------------------------------------------------ There was a big discussion about this a while back and they moved the discussion off this list. Hopefully one of those guys will speak up and point y'all in the right direction in case that is still on. I've seen the idea of these come and go. I think there's one up here in knoxville but I've not had time to look into it. -B

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ I was a pretty serious part of the last discussion about this and to = boil it down to the basics: Lots of people have time and good intentions, however it takes a lot of = money and full time work to make this happen, and we seem to be short on = both. By money lets say raising $25-50K just to get started, and that is a = bight on the light side. A couple of days ago people were debating whether the $85 dollar per = month fee the guys in Atlanta charge was worth it/doable/etc... $85 = bucks is CHEAP to belong to something like this. For it to be less the = density of participants would have to be FAR greater than we can likely = raise in this little town. You almost have to have a wealthy benefactor that is willing to donate = the space if you want to get this going at all. Aaron can tell you more if he is so inclined. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 There was a big discussion about this a while back and they moved the = discussion off this list. Hopefully one of those guys will speak up and = point y'all in the right direction in case that is still on. I've seen = the idea of these come and go. I think there's one up here in knoxville = but I've not had time to look into it. -B wrote: setup setup sqft floor as the locate open donate --

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ That's what I was thinking at first phil. I found a 6k sqft 3 story building on main for 2k/monthly... it's right near createhere I believe. But if we can generate income from the co-op coderspace on the second floor and from the third floor lofts that will ease some of the pain. We can also generate some income from adjustable dues (the more people that join the lower the dues get). Then we can do fundraisers, advocate technology in our city, and increase the local talent. Epb, TekLinks or other technology focused business can sponsor the whole thing to help spread technology, programming, and science -- but to also grab talent that they would want to work for them. There is no reason why we can't succeed with the proper guidance, effort, and determination. I believe adoption will be the biggest factor.

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ Get me an address and contact for the building. That sounds like the = price for ONE floor, not all 3. If it is correct and the building is cool, I might just buy it. (not = kidding) Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 That's what I was thinking at first phil. I found a 6k sqft 3 story = building on main for 2k/monthly... it's right near createhere I believe. But if we can generate income from the co-op coderspace on the second = floor and from the third floor lofts that will ease some of the pain. We can also generate some income from adjustable dues (the more people = that join the lower the dues get). Then we can do fundraisers, advocate technology in our city, and = increase the local talent. Epb, TekLinks or other technology focused = business can sponsor the whole thing to help spread technology, = programming, and science -- but to also grab talent that they would want = to work for them. There is no reason why we can't succeed with the proper guidance, = effort, and determination. I believe adoption will be the biggest factor. I was a pretty serious part of the last discussion about this and to = boil it down to the basics: Lots of people have time and good intentions, however it takes a lot of = money and full time work to make this happen, and we seem to be short on = both. By money lets say raising $25-50K just to get started, and that is a = bight on the light side. A couple of days ago people were debating whether the $85 dollar per = month fee the guys in Atlanta charge was worth it/doable/etc... $85 = bucks is CHEAP to belong to something like this. For it to be less the = density of participants would have to be FAR greater than we can likely = raise in this little town. You almost have to have a wealthy benefactor that is willing to donate = the space if you want to get this going at all. Aaron can tell you more if he is so inclined. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 There was a big discussion about this a while back and they moved the = discussion off this list. Hopefully one of those guys will speak up and = point y'all in the right direction in case that is still on. I've seen = the idea of these come and go. I think there's one up here in knoxville = but I've not had time to look into it. -B wrote: setup setup sqft floor as the locate open donate --

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ It's looks like the one I was talking about when off the market. But this one is close http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/17146555/109-East-8th-Street-Chattanooga-TN/ 3k month on a 30 year loan with 5% interest. It would be easy to get that rate down to 4.25% IMO and no need for PMI the buy-in amount vs return of investment on interest wouldn't make sense.

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ HAhAHAHAHAH... you are a funny man! 30 year COMMERCIAL loan? 4.25%??? commercial financing is 15 years at most right now and rates are = 6.5-7.5% with a need for a 20-25% down payment. The ONLY exception to this is owner financed deals. And even then what = you are suggesting MIGHT only be possible on VERY distressed properties. I am negotiating on a 12,500 s.f. warehouse right now (purchase) trust = me on these numbers. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 It's looks like the one I was talking about when off the market. But this one is close = http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/17146555/109-East-8th-Street-Chattanooga-TN= / 3k month on a 30 year loan with 5% interest. It would be easy to get = that rate down to 4.25% IMO and no need for PMI the buy-in amount vs = return of investment on interest wouldn't make sense. Get me an address and contact for the building. That sounds like the = price for ONE floor, not all 3. If it is correct and the building is cool, I might just buy it. (not = kidding) Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 That's what I was thinking at first phil. I found a 6k sqft 3 story = building on main for 2k/monthly... it's right near createhere I believe. But if we can generate income from the co-op coderspace on the second = floor and from the third floor lofts that will ease some of the pain. We can also generate some income from adjustable dues (the more people = that join the lower the dues get). Then we can do fundraisers, advocate technology in our city, and = increase the local talent. Epb, TekLinks or other technology focused = business can sponsor the whole thing to help spread technology, = programming, and science -- but to also grab talent that they would want = to work for them. There is no reason why we can't succeed with the proper guidance, = effort, and determination. I believe adoption will be the biggest factor. I was a pretty serious part of the last discussion about this and to = boil it down to the basics: Lots of people have time and good intentions, however it takes a lot of = money and full time work to make this happen, and we seem to be short on = both. By money lets say raising $25-50K just to get started, and that is a = bight on the light side. A couple of days ago people were debating whether the $85 dollar per = month fee the guys in Atlanta charge was worth it/doable/etc... $85 = bucks is CHEAP to belong to something like this. For it to be less the = density of participants would have to be FAR greater than we can likely = raise in this little town. You almost have to have a wealthy benefactor that is willing to donate = the space if you want to get this going at all. Aaron can tell you more if he is so inclined. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 There was a big discussion about this a while back and they moved the = discussion off this list. Hopefully one of those guys will speak up and = point y'all in the right direction in case that is still on. I've seen = the idea of these come and go. I think there's one up here in knoxville = but I've not had time to look into it. -B wrote: setup setup sqft floor as the locate open donate --

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ My parents run a very large loan company in nashville.

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ Hmmmmm. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 My parents run a very large loan company in nashville. HAhAHAHAHAH... you are a funny man! 30 year COMMERCIAL loan? 4.25%??? commercial financing is 15 years at most right now and rates are = 6.5-7.5% with a need for a 20-25% down payment. The ONLY exception to this is owner financed deals. And even then what = you are suggesting MIGHT only be possible on VERY distressed properties. I am negotiating on a 12,500 s.f. warehouse right now (purchase) trust = me on these numbers. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 It's looks like the one I was talking about when off the market. But this one is close = http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/17146555/109-East-8th-Street-Chattanooga-TN= / 3k month on a 30 year loan with 5% interest. It would be easy to get = that rate down to 4.25% IMO and no need for PMI the buy-in amount vs = return of investment on interest wouldn't make sense. Get me an address and contact for the building. That sounds like the = price for ONE floor, not all 3. If it is correct and the building is cool, I might just buy it. (not = kidding) Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 That's what I was thinking at first phil. I found a 6k sqft 3 story = building on main for 2k/monthly... it's right near createhere I believe. But if we can generate income from the co-op coderspace on the second = floor and from the third floor lofts that will ease some of the pain. We can also generate some income from adjustable dues (the more people = that join the lower the dues get). Then we can do fundraisers, advocate technology in our city, and = increase the local talent. Epb, TekLinks or other technology focused = business can sponsor the whole thing to help spread technology, = programming, and science -- but to also grab talent that they would want = to work for them. There is no reason why we can't succeed with the proper guidance, = effort, and determination. I believe adoption will be the biggest factor. I was a pretty serious part of the last discussion about this and to = boil it down to the basics: Lots of people have time and good intentions, however it takes a lot of = money and full time work to make this happen, and we seem to be short on = both. By money lets say raising $25-50K just to get started, and that is a = bight on the light side. A couple of days ago people were debating whether the $85 dollar per = month fee the guys in Atlanta charge was worth it/doable/etc... $85 = bucks is CHEAP to belong to something like this. For it to be less the = density of participants would have to be FAR greater than we can likely = raise in this little town. You almost have to have a wealthy benefactor that is willing to donate = the space if you want to get this going at all. Aaron can tell you more if he is so inclined. Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 There was a big discussion about this a while back and they moved the = discussion off this list. Hopefully one of those guys will speak up and = point y'all in the right direction in case that is still on. I've seen = the idea of these come and go. I think there's one up here in knoxville = but I've not had time to look into it. -B wrote: setup setup sqft floor as the locate open donate --

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ I appreciate the input phil -- my loan numbers may be off, I don't know.. I don't/haven't done a commercial loan.

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ Double hmm... We got seriously into this discussion awhile back and the interest kinda tapered off. We have had discussions with Luken Holdings to convert the ~1000 sq ft of dead space in the lower level of the Tivoli Center into a hacker space. My suggestion is to start VERY small and build a core group of people. I know 4 of us that are willing to put up some time and capital to kick it off, but there has to be more of a critical mass first. Once we get 15-20 active people in the group I will push to get some space on the cheap and cover a few months rent. The fact that there are 4 people who own companies in the Tivoli Center on this list could have some sway as to the location though. :+P -AW

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ You're completely right. If we could get a small amount of space, we could do a hangout hack night (thusdays are good for me) If the adoption is there we will grow to critical mass and hit the tipping point If not we will have some fun and get to know each other. (Which is a big one for me as I have just moved into the area and I am in the process of switching national guard units -- the only lifeforms I interact with are my family and work)

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ---- From: Phil Sieg A couple of days ago people were debating whether the $85 dollar per month fee the guys in Atlanta charge was worth it/doable/etc... $85 bucks is CHEAP to belong to something like this. Atlanta Freeside is established and stocked with tools, so yes $80/month is a great deal for anyone who uses the resources on a regular basis. Until we get "something like that" around here, then I suggest we set the dues accordingly, and $80/month ain't gonna cut it if we only have one soldering gun to fight over, lol. My question to those with the "venture capital" necessary to purchase/rent a building ... what do you expect in return for your investment? Can we have a hackerspace w/o it turning into a commercial venture?

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ The "Tivoli Technology Center" is quickly becoming a serious business place for techie types and there seems to be a cross-pollination and cooperation theme going on. At least on the second floor.. The basement dwelling troglobytes are.. well.. "down there".. It's not a place for plasma welders and art-bicycles.. but it is a place for soldering irons and small tools. After our new neighbors get settled in, I think we should host a mixer or techno-social..

=============================================================== From: R D Flowers ------------------------------------------------------ Ryan Macy wrote:

=============================================================== From: Sean Brewer ------------------------------------------------------ I have some Arduinos and BASIC stamps I could donate. setup up sqft as pen

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ Chattahack ? Ideas on names? setup setup as

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ The Creation Station Idea Nursery Idea Farm Idea Barn The Crucible HKRSPC Nvnt Just Try It Hack Shack H@x Create Cave Workbench Hackbench Playbench ThoughtMill Mill It Over Thought Studio Idea Studio @elier hackufactory Hack-U-Factory The Plant The Basement The Garage Your Parent's Basement The Attic Depot Creation Incubation Station Hackanooga Cre8hax - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ hackanooga is good haha

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ Does anyone know of a little area that we could rent at a really moderate price?

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ I can see about using the 3-4k sq ft of space across the hall in the evening= s, but we will need a legal entity before engaging a landlord about leasing.= -AW rice? ry 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ Let's get a entity name figured out and we can make it happen :) evenings, but we will need a legal entity before engaging a landlord about leasing. price? February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Phil Sieg ------------------------------------------------------ AAAARRRRGGGHHHHHHHH!!!! We just did this a few months back! Mike is there and way to copy Ryan on the 3000 or so messages plus = several meetings that we went through recently? Phil Sieg President snapfon www.snapfon.com office: 423.535.9968 x123 mobile: 423.331.0725 fax: 423.265.9820 Let's get a entity name figured out and we can make it happen :) evenings, but we will need a legal entity before engaging a landlord = about leasing. moderate price? wrote: February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya wrote:

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ I'm just watching in fascination. Don't mind me. --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ Im not tracking you on the copying part phil meetings that we went through recently? evenings, but we will need a legal entity before engaging a landlord about leasing. moderate price? February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Lisa Ridley ------------------------------------------------------ Ryan, Look through the chugslug mailing list archives for the march/April timefram= e...you'll see lots of threads on Hackerspace there. Worth the read. Lisa Ridley RoveWorks meetings that we went through recently? nings, but we will need a legal entity before engaging a landlord about leas= ing. te price? ruary 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya :

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ Hey, is the RM still up? --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ It's on the bottom of every email. Point blank: When a small group of people actually meet on a semi-regular basis -anywhere- they will create the space/entity/etc..

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ 2nd that! -AW l meetings that we went through recently? re- they will create the space/entity/etc..

=============================================================== From: Adam Jimerson ------------------------------------------------------ Which ones doe you want? http://www.chugalug.org/widget/search http://www.chugalug.org/widget/keyword/Hacking http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/2011-January/021827.html http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/2011-January/021804.html http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/2011-January/021694.html (Note skipp= ed=20 an email here Rod just set a message that was nothing but a hash or random= =20 text couldn't tell) http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/2011-January/021673.html http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/2011-January/021559.html http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/2011-January/020990.html http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/2011-January/020965.html http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/2011-January/020951.html http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/2011-January/020934.html http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/2011-January/020901.html http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/2011-February/023347.html http://geeklabs.net/pipermail/chugalug/2011-February/023322.html (Note skip= ped=20 an email here Rod just set a message that was nothing but a hash or random= =20 text couldn't tell) I'm sure there are some that I over looked e:

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ Ryan the problem is there are too many different visions and none of the strong enough to dominate. Add to that too many folk who will criticize an idea without putting forth their own. There are plenty of old industrial sites that we could use. But they tend to be in parts of town that scare the timid and faint of heart. I know two lawyers that have wharehouse property on Main or Market that would need sweat equity. I pointed out a huge space on Doddson and Wilder 7 minutes from downtown. No more than 15 from anywhere else. Seems to me to get this off the ground you need to pick a site. Possibly one that needs some sweat equity. Secure capital to access it(rent or buy). Then figure out how get funds to keep it open Thats it. Anything else is mental masturbation. You think the guys who run the Blacksmithing classes at the train yard care suburbians may not want to come to east chattanooga? Hell No! They have their makerspace. whats our excuse?

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ It was kind of creepy to see how the messages where almost exactly the same. I think mike and I have a pretty similar vision for the hack a space. I see that there is a google group.. was a website ever setup? if not we can get that going. I think chattahack would be a good organization name if there is no objections.

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ HackAttack It's like Hackanooga and Chattahack had a baby that forgot it was supposed to look like Chattanooga. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I just just copy and pasted my list of names from last time, and added a few. I thought of Hackanooga independently (or so I believe - it could have been subconsciously in there), but it was listed in the thread last time by someone else. Hence similarity without errieness. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ Must have a critical mass of people surrounded a core group. We have neithe= r right now. If someone can anchor that, then the rest of us will gravitate= . -AW trong enough to dominate. their own.=20 o be in parts of town that scare the timid and faint of heart. uld need sweat equity. o more than 15 from anywhere else. ne that needs some sweat equity. e suburbians may not want to come to east chattanooga?

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ I now have chattahack.com .net .org .info Setting up a rackspace ubuntu server as I type

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ I own chattahackspace.com that you can use. -AW

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ Do you mind setting the A name to 50.57.86.206? Or you can just forward if you want

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ what web language would be the easiest for everyone to contribute with? if no one really cares ill probably do it in django or rails

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ I like html and css :) ve will f g y .

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ +12 Maybe a little PHP and Javascript, just to keep things interesting. - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ several folk think Hack should not be in the name. Personally I'm partial to /dev/core. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chad Smith" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 1:17:17 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Chattanooga Hackerspace The Creation Station Idea Nursery Idea Farm Idea Barn The Crucible HKRSPC Nvnt Just Try It Hack Shack H@x Create Cave Workbench Hackbench Playbench ThoughtMill Mill It Over Thought Studio Idea Studio @elier hackufactory Hack-U-Factory The Plant The Basement The Garage Your Parent's Basement The Attic Depot Creation Incubation Station Hackanooga Cre8hax - Chad W Smith "I like a man who's middle name is W." - President George W. Bush - February 10, 2003 bit.ly/gwb-dubya Chattahack ? Ideas on names?

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ Is anyone willing to volunteer to help me manage sections of the website/server? I need someone to setup mail on the server and manage it. I could also use some help writing/designing the website. I also would like to hold a meetup so we can hash out items like goals and mission statement, let me know what times are good for you. Thanks.

=============================================================== From: Ed King ------------------------------------------------------ do we have, like, a storage space we could start collecting and storing donations for our VaporSpace oops I meant HackerSpace? I've got some stuff I'd like to donate... books, motherboards, cards, systems, etc... I was saving this stuff for the swap meet that we're never gonna have but donating it to the collective might be a better use for it than my pitiful wishes to make a buck or two ;-)

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ what uri? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Macy" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 4:57:14 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Chattanooga Hackerspace Is anyone willing to volunteer to help me manage sections of the website/server? I need someone to setup mail on the server and manage it. I could also use some help writing/designing the website. I also would like to hold a meetup so we can hash out items like goals and mission statement, let me know what times are good for you. Thanks.

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ chattahack.com /info /org /net

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ I can probably get a storage unit at my complex pretty cheap. Ill let you know