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From: Ryan Macy 
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Aaron it's cool to see someone talking about the "cloud" @ devchatt, I'm
very interested to hear your presentation.

I'm also equally interested on the topic.

/high-five for presenting

=============================================================== From: Christopher Rimondi ------------------------------------------------------ That sounds interesting. Is it just me or is the schedule link on the site broken?

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ It never works until the day of. -AW On May 27, 2011, at 6:31 PM, Christopher Rimondi w= rote: ery interested to hear your presentation.

=============================================================== From: Michael Scholten ------------------------------------------------------ Where is it being hosted? I am either not seeing it on the site (quite probable) or the site is not show me... -Michael

=============================================================== From: Benjamin Stewart ------------------------------------------------------ Ditto that. Is it the same place as last year? They still don't seem to have it on the site.

=============================================================== From: Ralph Edge ------------------------------------------------------ I was told there are talks at CreateHere and CompanyLab, with an afterparty downstairs at Lifekraze(my employer) On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Benjamin Stewart wrote:

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ Where is LifeKraze? -AW

=============================================================== From: Ralph Edge ------------------------------------------------------ Directly across from The Terminal Brewhouse. I'm looking at their front door right now.

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ So which presentations will you be going too?

=============================================================== From: Christopher Rimondi ------------------------------------------------------ I will be there tonight presenting, but tomorrow I will try to hit Aaron's. I have yet to hear two people agree on what the cloud means, perhaps he will settle it for us :) Cameron's on PhoneGap seems interesting as well.

=============================================================== From: Michael Scholten ------------------------------------------------------ Looking forward to going to yours Chris. After that, dunno what exactly yet... -Michael Scholten

=============================================================== From: Ralph Edge ------------------------------------------------------ You should check out Evan's presentation on asynchronous templating...pretty interesting stuff hes working on. Evan is a co-worker of mine here at LifeKraze..

=============================================================== From: Ryan Macy ------------------------------------------------------ it was a fun night :-) Thanks guys

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Chis's presentation on ipv6 was great... As was the party at lifekraze. ----- Original message -----

=============================================================== From: James Sanders ------------------------------------------------------ Crap that was the one presentation I was really looking forward to seeing, sorry I missed it.

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ frak I missed it. It has been a weird 48 hours. But then again Last time i went to site it wasn't working.

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ A common complaint has been that the notice for DevChatt (in addition to the schedule) didn't come soon enough. -Cameron Sent via an Android phone

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ well there has been a few things bandied about in past that didn't pan out. I had assumed from some of the chatter that this was one. So I had lost track. But the last 48 hours have been snafu city. Mostly covering the lack of planning of others. I just got up from sleep recovery. Oh well next year. As for scheduling issues, try explaining to social justice types that more than a few days notice is needed. Especially events across the state. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron Kilgore" To: "CHUGALUG" Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2011 5:03:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Chugalug] devchatt A common complaint has been that the notice for DevChatt (in addition to the schedule) didn't come soon enough. -Cameron Sent via an Android phone

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ I think that it was mentioned LAST YEAR the need to plan sooner. They should have been more agile on that part. But I enjoyed the event. And I plan on being back next year. -Cameron Sent via an Android phone out. than a few days notice is needed. the schedule) didn't come soon enough.

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ I second that. -AW he schedule) didn't come soon enough.

=============================================================== From: Cameron Kilgore ------------------------------------------------------ I just hope they get the audio and video from all the talks up soon. I got an entire office wanting to hear about Danielle's UX Manifesto. Did anyone go to the LTE speech? I imagined it was a 60-minute Infomercial from Verizon. --Cameron

=============================================================== From: Christopher Rimondi ------------------------------------------------------ The Verizon LTE speech wasn't too bad. It was a bit infomercial-ish. He had a lot of neat devices. He recommended devs should join the Verizon Developers Network to get test devices.

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ Is DevChatt happening again this year? -- Stephen Haywood Information Security Consultant CISSP, GPEN, OSCP T: @averagesecguy W: averagesecurityguy.info

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ Anyone know if DevChatt is happening again this year? The site is not up to date. -- Stephen Haywood Information Security Consultant CISSP, GPEN, OSCP T: @averagesecguy W: averagesecurityguy.info

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ Sent an email to the domain holder to find out. If you want to take lead and organize it, I will be willing to help. -AW

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ That was Josiah Roe's baby, ala Medium/Coptix.. Last I heard he was no longer in town. LinkedIn shows him in San Francisco. http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=3972176 And, like Aaron, I'd help toss a similar event.

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ After I sent the original message, I found Devlink. Is there an advantage to having DevChatt when a similar conference is already here? Stephen Haywood Information Security Consultant W: www.averagesecurityguy.info T: @averagesecguy

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ I have never seen Devlink, but it looks $$ and all Microsoft Way focused. I rather liked the unconference parts of DevChatt (nice mixture) and it was much more free software / OOS focused. And I liked that it was not very costly. I'd be willing to help get DevChatt together and give a talk on the Yii php framework. I would guess that the colab might be interested in assisting as well. Wil On Jan 5, 2013 8:41 AM, "Stephen Haywood" wrote:

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ DevLink is pretty kewl, very MS focused and last I saw, kinda sponsored by MyCashNow/Support7/Area203/ACHFederal and crowd as a recruiting event.

=============================================================== From: David White ------------------------------------------------------ DevLink is definitely heavy on the Microsoft side of things. I've never been, but almost went last year. Decided (near) the last minute that it wasn't worth my time or money (not to say it isn't valuable, because for some people I'd say its very valuable, but it just wasn't a good time for me). However, I do know a close colleague of John Kellar who is the founder & Chairman of DevLink, and I know both of them are good guys. I too, however, would love to see something more focused on open source and something not quite as heavy on programming (I'm not a programmer per-se). I too would consider helping to organize this thing (I have very close connections to Ben Weaver, and I also know Aaron does as well).

=============================================================== From: Lee Walker ------------------------------------------------------ It's totally a Microsoft conference. I was excited to see Douglass Crockford was speaking, then realized that was the 2012 conference... I'd go just to see him. It would be worth going, I think, simply because it's local. And the price of a ticket isn't too bad ($100 for 3 days).

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ I liked the unconference feeling of the first DevChatt. Well, minus the Med= ium marketing talk on the Saturday. I would love to have another DevChatt w= ith a pseudo expo and different tracks. Such as developer, maker, and gener= al geek stuff. It would be good to have it during the next Gigtank event la= ter this year. -AW s much more free software / OOS focused. And I liked that it was not very co= stly. p framework. I would guess that the colab might be interested in assisting a= s well. p to date. o longer in town. LinkedIn shows him in San Francisco.

=============================================================== From: Sean Brewer ------------------------------------------------------ I'd love to present or volunteer. I'm sure ChattLab and maybe 7hills would be interested in putting on a maker track. By the way, my company is involved with Confluence, which is happening in February. Chris Anderson is speaking. You guys interested and/or involved in the maker movement might be interested in that: http://romeconfluence.com/news/

=============================================================== From: Tim Youngblood ------------------------------------------------------ We will have a continent there. We know the 7hills crew.

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ Alright, I'll take the lead. Those of you who said you would help organize, I will contact you next week. Stephen Haywood Information Security Consultant W: www.averagesecurityguy.info T: @averagesecguy We will have a continent there. We know the 7hills crew.

=============================================================== From: Jason Brown ------------------------------------------------------ I'm in, or will be there a at a minimum. I learned 100X more at DevChatt than I did at DevLink. --Jason

=============================================================== From: Nate Hill ------------------------------------------------------ Fwiw, we could probably host devchatt on the 4th floor @ the library. Nate -- Nate Hill nathanielhill@gmail.com http://4thfloor.chattlibrary.org/ http://www.natehill.net

=============================================================== From: Adam Jimerson ------------------------------------------------------ I will be willing to help set this up, I enjoyed devchat last time I attended and would love to see it happen again

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ I think it'd be the perfect venue if we can get some sound deflecting/absorbing walls built. 701 Broad's 4th floor is empty and has lots of largish rooms, carpet, etc..

=============================================================== From: Taylor McDonald ------------------------------------------------------ I would like to help as well.

=============================================================== From: Nate Hill ------------------------------------------------------ Mike, I'm in the process of purchasing and installing sound dampening panels on the ceiling... Also have schemes for more mobile wall panels. Some big events coming up in January, people should take note: http://chattanooga.aiga.org/events/ -- Nate Hill nathanielhill@gmail.com http://4thfloor.chattlibrary.org/ http://www.natehill.net

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ well since your offering Nate. I'd like to see an effort to get word out to the general public. We need a EFF style track with an emphasis security for normal people. The Petraeus scandal highlighted the governments position that data left on "the cloud" is abandoned and thus it doesn't need warrants. Because of this any mail servers I set up in the future will be POP only and require users to check mail once a week.

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'm not sure a "normal" email server will have the same "cloud" based stigma/definition thrust upon it that Gmail/Yahoo/Live/Hotmail/Outlook/Microsoft.whatevertheeffingdomainisthisweek providers do. I certainly hope not, and please, by all means, continue self-hosting resources! Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDpq68ACgkQABP1RO+tr2Q3LACeMvdn5bJ91xSms788D9L7rHSz ae8AnR79UEEL5QL1oGD5SI9uh6yaDuK9 =p1t7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Just before Christmas I was in Jacksonville Florida hanging with some upper middle class "normal" people, including a friend that does a lot of international business but is not techno-savvy (not like Phil). I'd been polite for a few hours.. but had drank a lot of coffee and was wound up when they started asking me about online security. I think (not sure) a couple of them had had "identity theft" issues, which is the politically correct term for "I'm ignorant of the tools I am using and their implications and got burned". I asked them my most basic question: "How many of you have your credit card information on your computer so you can cut and paste it into websites when you buy things... probably with all your secret question answers and other info..." A couple of looks of instant awareness and connections made... and 2 hands started to raise triggered my "Windows is not secure" and other rants.. Luckily, my lovely wife broke my ensuring rant and remembered we needed to be somewhere else soon. My point is: We geeks (including people who just know what operating system they are using... ) tend to not hang with "normal" people, and anyone attending DevChat or a similar event would not qualify as "normal". A security track is a GREAT idea.. but the audience will not be the mundane normal people. I do think it might be funny to do a short bit on: "How to properly explain security to your non-technical co-workers, employers, friends and family." With a handout using stick figures and short common words. --Mike--

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/11/13/1726246/petraeus-case-illustrates-fbi-authority-to-read-email You may need to double check! ----- Original Message -----

=============================================================== From: Dave Brockman ------------------------------------------------------ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You may need to double check! I suspect had Petraeus run his own email server, on his own infrastructure, obtaining that information might have been considerably more difficult to obtain (from his side), and I also suspect that particular logic/ruling will be challenged from someone with more techno sense in the very near future. Pertraeus's particular case is not where this battle will be won, nor really even fought. Regards, dtb - -- "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." RFC 1925 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with undefined - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlDps6oACgkQABP1RO+tr2TwigCeLbIc+BOgbe5gLiow+TnOerOg 1kMAni59Z8tQBaUcKohdFxLJhM7uAOp3 =Nm5t -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

=============================================================== From: Nate Hill ------------------------------------------------------ Whether or not this takes place at the 4th floor library space, I'm happy to help organize and facilitate as well. While my coding skills get rustier by the day, I've got a good bit of experience running unconferences and barcamp style events. I do think this is a good fit for the 4th floor though.

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ Just clarifying, but I think in this case you were specifically referring to self-inflicted ID theft. Not stuff like getting your ID stolen because the Social Security Administration, Bank, IRS, etc... were being stupid.

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ Would we be able to host a gaming component as well? -AW o help organize and facilitate as well. While my coding skills get rustier b= y the day, I've got a good bit of experience running unconferences and barca= mp style events. I do think this is a good fit for the 4th floor though. s-fbi-authority-to-read-email

=============================================================== From: Stephen Kraus ------------------------------------------------------ I'd always be up for a gaming component.

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ I know you would :-). I was directing that more towards Nate Hill. -AW

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I agree with Mike, if it's called "DevChatt" or anything such thing - it's going to attract DEVelopers - not "normal people". Maybe you could have a super-basic "Security 101" talk just for people who are the closest thing their office has to an IT person, even though they don't really know anything about IT. Or for the "My Office made me come here and I don't know why" crowd. Or, for CEOs and other execs who don't know diddly. So, I guess what I am suggesting is make it just one class/session - not a whole track. *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ Game Development? Gaming for Linux? A track where you just play games? A track where local game developers (assuming such things exist) can show off their games? All of the above? *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ One more thought - make this a central focus of your security track, please. http://xkcd.com/936/ *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Nate Hill ------------------------------------------------------ Aaron, without getting deeply philosophical, I'd say gaming makes sense in this context because the point of the conference is about sharing and cultivating knowledge within a community. If there were a game dev track that would be pretty cool. We just had an event with local game designers showing off and talking about their work a month ago.

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ Yep, in those cases, people without the things they needed to do things correctly (including smart person oversight) got caught.. I had underworked and overpaid as adjectives and realized that was not correct for most government employees.

=============================================================== From: Mike Harrison ------------------------------------------------------ I thought it was all a front and excuse to go have a "team building exercise exploring immersive virtual reality experiences" without the spousal units and bosses complaining....

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ A gaming for Linux track would be fun. I am thinking something more competi= tive that would attract a different crowd. Bring in some new blood to see t= hings. -AW track where local game developers (assuming such things exist) can show off= their games? All of the above?

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ Heh... We could also talk about using gaming as an educational tool for local schools. -AW

=============================================================== From: David White ------------------------------------------------------ The more I work with DNS both in my day job and in my work with my new business ,CENTS (which is being launched full time, by the way, as of February 1st), the more I become convinced that very few people, even the so-called geeks, truly understand the ins and outs of DNS. I for one would be interested in heading up a workshop on this topic, and in fact am already thinking about putting together a workshop on exactly this topic for another conference I'll be attending this summer up in Indiana. Also, I'm no security expert, but did just finish taking an IT Security course last fall which covered all topics (albeit a bit briefly) covered in the CISSP exam. Not positive yet if I'm going to take the exam at some point in the near future, but security is also something I'm very, very interested in, and would be happy to help put in my 2 cents for that workshop. At any rate, I'd definitely try to attend that workshop! Finally, I realize we have a lot of volunteers and excitement around the idea of the DevChatt conference, but let's not forget to loop in the original guys behind the conference, like Ben. That is, unless, they want to hand it off completely. Aaron, you know Ben. Thoughts? I'll forward the summary of this on to Ben and Lang and see what their thoughts are on the conference. - David

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ I have been looping Ben in the discussion. He is, thus far, cool with letti= ng us run with it. My topics I would like to see are: Arduino projects Gaming related topics Security Rapid web development Educational geeky projects for K-12 I will be more than happy to try and curate the content plus setup the track= s. I would also suggest we put the time into recording and publishing the c= ontent for people to watch at their leisure. It sucks to have all this cool= discussion and have it trapped only in people's heads. -AW iness ,CENTS (which is being launched full time, by the way, as of February 1= st), the more I become convinced that very few people, even the so-called ge= eks, truly understand the ins and outs of DNS. I for one would be interested= in heading up a workshop on this topic, and in fact am already thinking abo= ut putting together a workshop on exactly this topic for another conference I= 'll be attending this summer up in Indiana. urse last fall which covered all topics (albeit a bit briefly) covered in th= e CISSP exam. Not positive yet if I'm going to take the exam at some point i= n the near future, but security is also something I'm very, very interested i= n, and would be happy to help put in my 2 cents for that workshop. At any ra= te, I'd definitely try to attend that workshop! dea of the DevChatt conference, but let's not forget to loop in the original= guys behind the conference, like Ben. That is, unless, they want to hand it= off completely. Aaron, you know Ben. Thoughts? I'll forward the summary of t= his on to Ben and Lang and see what their thoughts are on the conference. g to self-inflicted ID theft. Not stuff like getting c... were being stupid. orrectly (including smart person oversight) got caught.. rrect for most government employees. : s, ls I am using and their implications and got

=============================================================== From: Tim Youngblood ------------------------------------------------------ I think it should be called South by South Fest (SXSF).

=============================================================== From: Billy ------------------------------------------------------ Name it "Scary Computer Myths" Or something that would attract your basic modern computer user that barely knows how to turn on the computer. --b

=============================================================== From: Chad Smith ------------------------------------------------------ I would like to present a discussion of Security on Tablets, Smartphones, and Devices. Here is my presentation in its entirety. "Be very, very lucky." *- Chad W. Smith*

=============================================================== From: Aaron Welch ------------------------------------------------------ I am good with that. -AW tting us run with it. acks. I would also suggest we put the time into recording and publishing th= e content for people to watch at their leisure. It sucks to have all this c= ool discussion and have it trapped only in people's heads. usiness ,CENTS (which is being launched full time, by the way, as of Februar= y 1st), the more I become convinced that very few people, even the so-called= geeks, truly understand the ins and outs of DNS. I for one would be interes= ted in heading up a workshop on this topic, and in fact am already thinking a= bout putting together a workshop on exactly this topic for another conferenc= e I'll be attending this summer up in Indiana. ourse last fall which covered all topics (albeit a bit briefly) covered in t= he CISSP exam. Not positive yet if I'm going to take the exam at some point i= n the near future, but security is also something I'm very, very interested i= n, and would be happy to help put in my 2 cents for that workshop. At any ra= te, I'd definitely try to attend that workshop! idea of the DevChatt conference, but let's not forget to loop in the origin= al guys behind the conference, like Ben. That is, unless, they want to hand i= t off completely. Aaron, you know Ben. Thoughts? I'll forward the summary of= this on to Ben and Lang and see what their thoughts are on the conference. : ing to self-inflicted ID theft. Not stuff like getting tc... were being stupid. correctly (including smart person oversight) got caught.. orrect for most government employees. te: ues, ools I am using and their implications and got

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ What sort of length are we talking about? Thurs+Fri? Fri+Sat? Fri Only? Thurs-Sat?

=============================================================== From: Stephen Haywood ------------------------------------------------------ There is a background discussion taking place now amongst the guys who originally said they would be willing to help plan. I can add you to that list if you want. I propose a Friday 9:00AM - 11:00PM and Saturday 10:00AM - 2:00PM schedule. -- Stephen Haywood Information Security Consultant CISSP, GPEN, OSCP T: @averagesecguy W: averagesecurityguy.info

=============================================================== From: Michael Scholten ------------------------------------------------------ David, I'd love to sit in on a DNS work shop. Arduinos would be good too. -Michael

=============================================================== From: Rod-Lists ------------------------------------------------------ so your saying we shouldn't reach to the community at large? ----- Original Message -----

=============================================================== From: Christopher Rimondi ------------------------------------------------------ I'd like to contribute. Perhaps I can add something to the security/DNS discussion. Just did a presentation on DNSSEC that I could add a bit to. Also willing to volunteer if need be. Chris

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ I would think that reaching outside of the IT community would water down the event enough that neither group would be well served.

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ This is one of the cases where we just build what we want to have and let people attend as they choose. I would also propose that the event not be free as charging $10-20 will draw a different base that is more willing to put some skin in the game to help make the event better. -AW

=============================================================== From: Sean Brewer ------------------------------------------------------ I am fine with the event not being free. It'll allow us to do more cool stuff, like maybe hiring an awesome keynote speaker or something.

=============================================================== From: William Wade ------------------------------------------------------ I like the $20-25 range. Might be worth it for a student discount of $10 to help with marketing? A job fair might be also be nice. I know SupplyHog.com will be poking around for some web devs.

=============================================================== From: Aaron welch ------------------------------------------------------ We are looking as well, so I am good with a Job Fair. We can ask everyone looking to submit a 30 second video and loop in on TVs around the conference. -AW